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    DAY 9: Yesterday, hardly any headache associated with r-andro.

    32 days to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivenToRecover View Post
    Awesome man! I speak from experience when I say I think you get max benefit while cycling if you can avoid masturbation and sex entirely. Its hard because you're much hornier, but goddamn its worth it
    Idk about sex. But masterbation, yes. I have the opposite effect when I only have sex and don’t view view porn, or jerk it.

    That helps me on or off cycle, but way more off cycle. I think it also weakens my impulse control the more I jerk off, while already having lower impulse control with higher androgen levels.

    Quote Originally Posted by bizzbee View Post
    DAY 4: Dragging ass kind of feeling. Head rush. Switching to Super R Andro. Still early in cycle. The old bottle of Super R andro is from april 2016. Too old to use. Buying new bottles.
    Unless the specific hormone degrades quickly or was put in a situation where it was forced to degrade, most pharmaceuticals are good for like a decade. I had a bottle of Ax Superdrol like 7 years past It’s expiration I think. Unopened, still worked perfectly from the dude I sold it to.
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    Total 14 days on pro hormone with a break in between. I am ending it today. There is no increase in libido or anything else for that matter. Just increased brain fog, and head pressure, and headache, and symptoms of suppression. I am through feeling like this. I feel as if pro hormones can do no further good at this point. The longest cycle was about 4-5 weeks. It feels great the first few days and then the effects reverse and I started feeling worse. The coconut water did not help. And I don't think more KCl will help either. Going back on herbals. Thank you all for your contributions and advice. I just feel better honestly when I don't take them and keep the diet and exercise discipline.

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    This is part of why I want to jump on Prohormones after I’m recovered. I don’t look at them as part of the healing phase, unless they are 100% necessary to be cured which they aren’t.. i see them as a bonus for when you recover & are BETTER than you were pre fin on all facets just following basic protocol. THEN you throw that in when your done with all this mess...Sky’s the limit when you look at it that way.. you’d be a fucking beast in everything

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    Pre Fin: Deadlifted 705 lbs at 225 bodyweight
    Current goal: trying to get to or surpass a 705 lb deadlift without backloading at 170-175 bodywieght

    Let’s say in time I recover & I hit this goal

    -now I’m back to old numbers at a much lighter weight
    -start backloading, gain weight.. what would my numbers be at 200-205 lbs? 750? 800? What if I get back to 225, what would it be then? Since it’s universally known that gaining weight does help you lift more..

    Here’s the Prohormones part. What If I’m 225 lifting the world, better than I ever was even before pre Fin, and I decide to do Prohormones on top of it all..FUCK, talk about cherry on top. icing on cake. The thought of it makes my scrotum move..

    It sounds so ridiculous but it’s a fucking goal in my book..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzbee View Post
    Total 14 days on pro hormone with a break in between. I am ending it today. There is no increase in libido or anything else for that matter. Just increased brain fog, and head pressure, and headache, and symptoms of suppression. I am through feeling like this. I feel as if pro hormones can do no further good at this point. The longest cycle was about 4-5 weeks. It feels great the first few days and then the effects reverse and I started feeling worse. The coconut water did not help. And I don't think more KCl will help either. Going back on herbals. Thank you all for your contributions and advice. I just feel better honestly when I don't take them and keep the diet and exercise discipline.
    Well, there would only be one way to find out, and that would be to take it. Some coconut water and 500-700 mg of KCL are two different things. And what your feeling isn't suppression after only 14 days on such a weak prohormone.

    Maxout added it to his cycle when it was making him feel the same way your feeling the first time he ran the androhard transdermal. This time, with the KCL, and he says he feels fantastic.

    Next time I run this stuff, I'm going to add it in for sure. I will of course, share my results with the forum.
    Total Male Optimization "People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those that are doing it"

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    You're right. I would have to try it to be sure. But for now I'm shelving the R-andro and I'm going to get into great physical condition before trying the pro hormones. And when I do I will be trying the androhard + KCl. I feel as though the epi isomer in combination with the andro is really what works for me. In fact, it worked wonders after my first cycle with androhard if you look at those earlier posts from last year. But the fatigue after four weeks was too much. Couldn't even run up a hill. It's nice to have at least one data point (Maxout's anecdote) so far. Hopefully more data will be forthcoming...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Well, there would only be one way to find out, and that would be to take it. Some coconut water and 500-700 mg of KCL are two different things. And what your feeling isn't suppression after only 14 days on such a weak prohormone.

    Maxout added it to his cycle when it was making him feel the same way your feeling the first time he ran the androhard transdermal. This time, with the KCL, and he says he feels fantastic.

    Next time I run this stuff, I'm going to add it in for sure. I will of course, share my results with the forum.
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    Can't anyone convince the people who used to work at Primordial to resurrect the original androhard? I am dying to know what that was like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzbee View Post
    You're right. I would have to try it to be sure. But for now I'm shelving the R-andro and I'm going to get into great physical condition before trying the pro hormones. And when I do I will be trying the androhard + KCl. I feel as though the epi isomer in combination with the andro is really what works for me. In fact, it worked wonders after my first cycle with androhard if you look at those earlier posts from last year. But the fatigue after four weeks was too much. Couldn't even run up a hill. It's nice to have at least one data point (Maxout's anecdote) so far. Hopefully more data will be forthcoming...



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    Can't anyone convince the people who used to work at Primordial to resurrect the original androhard? I am dying to know what that was like.
    At the end of the day, it was a weak prohormone by comparison to the steroids I assume you’ve done to have a 700lb deadlift.

    But for what it was, and what it competed against, it WAS fantastic. But you have to really be dialed in to see really good benefits from it.

    Just my .02

    Also, are you familiar with what happened to PP and those that worked there? I couldn’t see ANY of them, especially the brainchild, ever wanting that kind of exposure again.

    Except for old Winkler lol(only some of you MIGHT get this)

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    You have me confused with RickTheRuler. I never deadlifted 700lbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by tallstraw View Post
    At the end of the day, it was a weak prohormone by comparison to the steroids I assume you’ve done to have a 700lb deadlift.

    But for what it was, and what it competed against, it WAS fantastic. But you have to really be dialed in to see really good benefits from it.

    Just my .02

    Also, are you familiar with what happened to PP and those that worked there? I couldn’t see ANY of them, especially the brainchild, ever wanting that kind of exposure again.

    Except for old Winkler lol(only some of you MIGHT get this)
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    What do you mean by 'dialed in'? Are you talking about dosage and such?

    Quote Originally Posted by tallstraw View Post
    At the end of the day, it was a weak prohormone by comparison to the steroids I assume you’ve done to have a 700lb deadlift.

    But for what it was, and what it competed against, it WAS fantastic. But you have to really be dialed in to see really good benefits from it.

    Just my .02

    Also, are you familiar with what happened to PP and those that worked there? I couldn’t see ANY of them, especially the brainchild, ever wanting that kind of exposure again.

    Except for old Winkler lol(only some of you MIGHT get this)

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    Damnit, my bad, still getting back into the swing of things lol.

    Androhard isn’t tren, it’s not Var, it’s not xtren, or a few of the other phenomenal “cutters”. it’s a weak prohormone. It had a great delivery system, and it did work. But it isn’t overnight changes.

    If your diet, sleep and training is dialed in, you’ll see the benefits. But it’s not gonna utterly blow you away otherwise in my opinion, and even with those things dialed in, It’s more of an icing on the cake.

    Tren:
    “Damn, I killed all this bullshit last night at the buffet, But I woke up looking even more lean and pumped.”

    Androhard:
    “My diet and training are all really phenomenal, this boost in muscle preservation, really helped me look great because of the hard work I’m already doing.”

    If you slack with one you’re fine, youll still get good results honestly.
    If you slack with the other, you probably won’t notice much in the way of real concrete results.

    Androhard is great because of the minimal shutdown, and decent return on what it is. But I wouldn’t go into it expecting something like tren or fabled cutting steroids.

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