I love my son and need help

[Kate]

I live in South America and I’m the mom of a 19-year-old that is going through an awful time starting from when he started taking finisteride 1 year and ½ ago due to hair loss which he took until a month ago when he stopped taking it. During the time while he was taking it, he was hospitalized twice with psychotic episodes and was given far too many meds and we later realized it was due to the finisteride and he had no diagnosed mental problems.

It has truly been a rollercoaster of emotions and physical side effects of this damn drug which seems to have drained him of his self being and I am extremally worried pissed off and saddened , he used to enjoy listening to music and reading a lot of books, exercising, riding his bike, working out with weights, generally but at this time he cannot do any of this because when he does, he feels fatigued and is worse. He has a range of symptoms like the following: depression, panic attacks, loss of libido, anhedonia, chronic fatigue, less muscle and less strength, anxiety, mental fog, awaking in the night, suicidal ideations, despair, testicular pain, amongst other.

He did feel better during 3 days where he was with enhanced mental capacities and taking interest in various areas and a little better physically.
He is at this time taking vitamin B6, K, zinc, and magnesium citrate.
Today he had a mini crash of some sorts, he took some tribulus pills and made him worse. The few times he has done exercise, he has felt way worse. On one occation he went to the supermarket on his bike and felt significantly worse afterwards. Why exactly does this happen? Is this some kind of androgen sensitivity in regards of androgenic herbs and exercise? If so, will this change with time?
My question is basically how he can reactivate his 5AR enzymes and to build up his androgen levels and if there is anyone who has recovered whom I can speak to personally?,

I fear that my son is near collapse and I don't trully know how to handle this or trully cheer him up; well more than cheering him up, I want to inspire him with someone who has personally recovered - show him that there's a way out of this hell.

Thanks for reading guys.

[Brazilianguy]

I live in South America and I’m the mom of a 19-year-old that is going through an awful time starting from when he started taking finisteride 1 year and ½ ago due to hair loss which he took until a month ago when he stopped taking it. During the time while he was taking it, he was hospitalized twice with psychotic episodes and was given far too many meds and we later realized it was due to the finisteride and he had no diagnosed mental problems.

It has truly been a rollercoaster of emotions and physical side effects of this damn drug which seems to have drained him of his self being and I am extremally worried pissed off and saddened , he used to enjoy listening to music and reading a lot of books, exercising, riding his bike, working out with weights, generally but at this time he cannot do any of this because when he does, he feels fatigued and is worse. He has a range of symptoms like the following: depression, panic attacks, loss of libido, anhedonia, chronic fatigue, less muscle and less strength, anxiety, mental fog, awaking in the night, suicidal ideations, despair, testicular pain, amongst other.

He did feel better during 3 days where he was with enhanced mental capacities and taking interest in various areas and a little better physically.
He is at this time taking vitamin B6, K, zinc, and magnesium citrate.
Today he had a mini crash of some sorts, he took some tribulus pills and made him worse. The few times he has done exercise, he has felt way worse. On one occation he went to the supermarket on his bike and felt significantly worse afterwards. Why exactly does this happen? Is this some kind of androgen sensitivity in regards of androgenic herbs and exercise? If so, will this change with time?
My question is basically how he can reactivate his 5AR enzymes and to build up his androgen levels and if there is anyone who has recovered whom I can speak to personally?,

I fear that my son is near collapse and I don't trully know how to handle this or trully cheer him up; well more than cheering him up, I want to inspire him with someone who has personally recovered - show him that there's a way out of this hell.

Thanks for reading guys.

I’m not recovered but I think he should start taking antidepressants if the situation is unbearable. If tribulus didn’t work well for him, he should try other brands or other herbs. I don’t know if it’s a good idea taking too many vitamins, I got bad reactions from vitamin D and omega 3. So maybe less is more.

I also think too many exercises can be bad if he has adrenal/cortisol problems. A lot of guys in the early stages has suicidal thoughts and depression, it’s neurotransmitter thing that will subside when he starts to improve, it’s actually the first thing to recover (depression) so he needs to understand that this is beateble and read recoveries to see that it’s possible. That’s what I did when I was at my worst.

[Cdsnuts]

I’m not recovered but I think he should start taking antidepressants if the situation is unbearable. If tribulus didn’t work well for him, he should try other brands or other herbs. I don’t know if it’s a good idea taking too many vitamins, I got bad reactions from vitamin D and omega 3. So maybe less is more.

I also think too many exercises can be bad if he has adrenal/cortisol problems. A lot of guys in the early stages has suicidal thoughts and depression, it’s neurotransmitter thing that will subside when he starts to improve, it’s actually the first thing to recover (depression) so he needs to understand that this is beateble and read recoveries to see that it’s possible. That’s what I did when I was at my worst.

More pharmaceuticals aren't the problem. If you want to fix your son, we have everything you need here to do it.

Brazilian Guy....listen...I appreciate your willingness to help, but to recommend anti-depressants right off the bat like that....come on dude. Did you forget what this forum is all about?

[Brazilianguy]

More pharmaceuticals aren't the problem. If you want to fix your son, we have everything you need here to do it.

Brazilian Guy....listen...I appreciate your willingness to help, but to recommend anti-depressants right off the bat like that....come on dude. Did you forget what this forum is all about?

It wasn’t right off the bat, I talk to this guy everyday. He was completely desperate and Fausto told me that with antidepressants he could feel better. Fausto is taking ssri and herbs and he is recovering.

[Cdsnuts]

It wasn’t right off the bat, I talk to this guy everyday. He was completely desperate and Fausto told me that with antidepressants he could feel better. Fausto is taking ssri and herbs and he is recovering.

This is not following the protocol.

It is very clearly outlined. If you guys want to change things around and pick and choose what part to implement, you're not doing yourself or anyone else any favors, especially recommending things that are NOT part of the regimen. This forum is not the place for that.

[Brazilianguy]

This is not following the protocol.

It is very clearly outlined. If you guys want to change things around and pick and choose what part to implement, you're not doing yourself or anyone else any favors, especially recommending things that are NOT part of the regimen. This forum is not the place for that.

Well, why I’m getting better results now that I quit exercises, too much test boosters and paleo diet? It can’t be a coincidence. Maybe it could help other people too if they have problems with their adrenals, I always got worse from fasting, from paleo diet, intermittent fasting. In my case it’s better to eat carbs basically in all meals but in less quantity.

[LetsGo]

I’m not recovered but I think he should start taking antidepressants if the situation is unbearable. If tribulus didn’t work well for him, he should try other brands or other herbs. I don’t know if it’s a good idea taking too many vitamins, I got bad reactions from vitamin D and omega 3. So maybe less is more.

I also think too many exercises can be bad if he has adrenal/cortisol problems. A lot of guys in the early stages has suicidal thoughts and depression, it’s neurotransmitter thing that will subside when he starts to improve, it’s actually the first thing to recover (depression) so he needs to understand that this is beateble and read recoveries to see that it’s possible. That’s what I did when I was at my worst.

I wouldn’t be quick to jump on antidepressants. Most of them, especially SSRIs, are known to reduce libido and cause other sexual side effects. They also tend to increase the risk of suicide, and many have “black box” warnings to that effect.

Treat the cause, not the symptom. The program outlined by CDnuts has had a lot of success for many men, however, you have to be dedicated or it won’t work. Most men are too lazy to do it.

Exercise is shown to reduce depression more than antidepressants, without any negative side effects, so I think that that is important to start. Yes, it will be unpleasant to force oneself to exercise when one is depressed, but over time, it helps. Meditating is also very helpful, as is eating healthier.

But overall, I’d just recommend the CDnuts protocol, and do not fall into the trap of trying random medications that random people on other message boards recommend.

[SS7]

I live in South America and I’m the mom of a 19-year-old that is going through an awful time starting from when he started taking finisteride 1 year and ½ ago due to hair loss which he took until a month ago when he stopped taking it. During the time while he was taking it, he was hospitalized twice with psychotic episodes and was given far too many meds and we later realized it was due to the finisteride and he had no diagnosed mental problems.

It has truly been a rollercoaster of emotions and physical side effects of this damn drug which seems to have drained him of his self being and I am extremally worried pissed off and saddened , he used to enjoy listening to music and reading a lot of books, exercising, riding his bike, working out with weights, generally but at this time he cannot do any of this because when he does, he feels fatigued and is worse. He has a range of symptoms like the following: depression, panic attacks, loss of libido, anhedonia, chronic fatigue, less muscle and less strength, anxiety, mental fog, awaking in the night, suicidal ideations, despair, testicular pain, amongst other.

He did feel better during 3 days where he was with enhanced mental capacities and taking interest in various areas and a little better physically.
He is at this time taking vitamin B6, K, zinc, and magnesium citrate.
Today he had a mini crash of some sorts, he took some tribulus pills and made him worse. The few times he has done exercise, he has felt way worse. On one occation he went to the supermarket on his bike and felt significantly worse afterwards. Why exactly does this happen? Is this some kind of androgen sensitivity in regards of androgenic herbs and exercise? If so, will this change with time?
My question is basically how he can reactivate his 5AR enzymes and to build up his androgen levels and if there is anyone who has recovered whom I can speak to personally?,

I fear that my son is near collapse and I don't trully know how to handle this or trully cheer him up; well more than cheering him up, I want to inspire him with someone who has personally recovered - show him that there's a way out of this hell.

Thanks for reading guys.

Hi Kate - firstly very sorry to see you here. First message is recoveries are very possible and your son has MUCH youth on his side! I should probably mention that sometimes people even recover on their own, so don't take anything too extreme to try and fix this. Or even at all if possible.

What we'll recommend here is the protocol on Total Male Optimization along with the herb rotation, pretty much read and do the advice linked there and time/commitment will do the rest.

Do be supportive for your son (which it looks like you are doing of course,) the situation this leaves a man in is terrible, but it does and will get easier. In the difficult times, stick to the routines as far as possible; they'll help after a little time and then the benefits will keep coming and keep coming.

Once he's better he'll be a totally different person. It'll be a life-experience for sure.

Everyone here wishes you all the best, please do stay and don't be afraid to ask us anything at all. DO NOT visit a site called propeciahelp.com. Ever.

[carsot8]

He should get on the CD Nuts protocol listed on this forum and totalmaleoptimization asap. And read the recovery threads in this section. Never under any circumstances take any more finasteride or any other kind of hair loss treatment, they all reduce male hormones and basically chemically castrate a man. And as others have said, don't go on the site propeciahelp, it's just a bunch of negative people complaining and suggesting unscientific methods.


He's definitely not the only one to experience this, there is actually a legal class action against the finasteride manufacturer of people who have had horrible side effects and want justice or action taken.

[Kate]

Here is some of his recent blood results:
Stridol pg/ml 15.5- his results

Percentile 2.5= 28.5
Medium = 36.1
Percentile 97.5= 60.7
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Progesterone pg/ml 0.33-his results

Upto 0.15 pg/ml
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LH mUI/mL 3.3 - his results

1.7 - 8.6 mUI/mL
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FSH mUI/mL 6.4 - his results

1.5 - 12.4 mUI/mL
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Prolactin 5.8 - his results

4.04-15.8
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Total testestorone - ng/dL 402.0

Age 20 - 49 - 249 - 836
Older than 50 - 193 - 740
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SHBG - nmol/L 39.6- his results

Age 20 - 49 - 16.5 - 55.9 nmol/L
Older or equal to 50 - 19.3 - 76.4 nmol/L
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Free Testestorone - nmol/L 6.39
% 45.81- his results

Age 20 - 49 - 8.64 - 29
0lder than 50 - 6.68 - 25.7
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Beta HCG - < 0.1 mUI/mL- his results

Less than 2.5 mUI/mL
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Cortisol AM - 10.1 - his results

Cortisol AM : 5.0 - 25.0 ug/dL
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DHEA - 334.0 ug/dL- his results

80- 560
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DHT - 183 pg/ml- his results

250-750 pg/ml
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IGF1 - 303.0 ng/mL

117 - 323 ng/ml
_______________________
TSH - 1.75 uUI/mL - his results

0.4 - 4.0
______________________
VITAMINA B.12 - 990.2 pg/mL

191 - 663
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Total Vitamin D - 44.7 ng/mL- his results

Sufficient: mayor o igual a 30 ng/mL
Insufficient: entre 20 - 29 ng/mL
Defecit: menor de 20 ng/mL
_________________________
Please let me know your thoughts and if there is anyone who has recovered or deeply improved that I can contact with?
He is trying Deep TMS, is this a good idea to try?
Also, he had a 2-3 day "slight" recovery where his mental symptoms faded in a big manner —he began being interested in things again and could develop complex ideas as he used to.
After he took the tribulus all the progress went away.
His sleep has been really bad lately and this worries me any advise on how to better this?