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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGo View Post
    How can you claim you’re rooting for me and then also tell me to go to PropeciaHelp??
    If that's the only thing you can reply to by entire message, then I'm sorry but you can't look at yourself in the mirror. You know you're not on the protocol dude, you even edited your post where you said you had many huge stretches because you know it's not true. And to evaluate how long you have been doing the protocol, you can't add it all up over a 4 years period as you say.

    You have to hold yourself accountable. You need long stretches. It doesn't look like you even did a proper year of TMO. I have, and I'm not magically recovered. This thing take time AND work. It looks like you only have the first part right.

    And I agree with Golden.. Nofap is not even close to being as important diet, gym, herbs, meditation, cold showers. And I don't understand the fixation on morning wood either. If you want, you could try ball icing 10min morning and night. Me and other PFS guys are seeing good results with it morningwood-wise.

    I'm sorry for being direct, but you're super delusional so I have to tell it straight. I'm trying to help you, but you're not hearing what we're saying.

    I'm rooting for you to get real and change your attitude. But if you want to complain while doing nothing, yeah I think PH is more adequate for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    If that's the only thing you can reply to by entire message, then I'm sorry but you can't look at yourself in the mirror. You know you're not on the protocol dude, you even edited your post where you said you had many huge stretches because you know it's not true. And to evaluate how long you have been doing the protocol, you can't add it all up over a 4 years period as you say.

    You have to hold yourself accountable. You need long stretches. It doesn't look like you even did a proper year of TMO. I have, and I'm not magically recovered. This thing take time AND work. It looks like you only have the first part right.

    And I agree with Golden.. Nofap is not even close to being as important diet, gym, herbs, meditation, cold showers. And I don't understand the fixation on morning wood either. If you want, you could try ball icing 10min morning and night. Me and other PFS guys are seeing good results with it morningwood-wise.

    I'm sorry for being direct, but you're super delusional so I have to tell it straight. I'm trying to help you, but you're not hearing what we're saying.

    I'm rooting for you to get real and change your attitude. But if you want to complain while doing nothing, yeah I think PH is more adequate for that.
    I did have multiple long stretches where I was doing the protocol — go back and read my thread if you’re curious, I’ve been here longer than just the last few posts. I have never shied away from what I have and haven’t done. I’ve been upfront the whole time, and I literally said that I’ve been off protocol. It’s not some big secret.

    I can look at myself in the mirror, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I am not "super delusional,” you’ve been consistently misinterpreting things that I say. It appears that I somehow offended you and now you’ve decided to antagonize me with your hostile and patronizing attitude. You’re the one with the attitude problem, you’re the one being disrespectful and hostile. Knock it off dude. And if you can’t — leave me alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGo View Post
    I did have multiple long stretches where I was doing the protocol — go back and read my thread if you’re curious, I’ve been here longer than just the last few posts. I have never shied away from what I have and haven’t done. I’ve been upfront the whole time, and I literally said that I’ve been off protocol. It’s not some big secret.

    I can look at myself in the mirror, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I am not "super delusional,” you’ve been consistently misinterpreting things that I say. It appears that I somehow offended you and now you’ve decided to antagonize me with your hostile and patronizing attitude. You’re the one with the attitude problem, you’re the one being disrespectful and hostile. Knock it off dude. And if you can’t — leave me alone.
    You said it yourself, you've been off the protocol. Thus, any complaining and thoughts about being immune to recovering has absolutely zero value.

    Honestly, I'm sorry for coming harshly. Perhaps I should've sugar coated it a little bit, but given that you still don't seem to get it, I don't think it would've worked either.

    I don't care if a guy that hasn't done any work for the whole year complains about lack of progress. You do you. The only reason I replied as bluntly is because I don't want new guys seeing your posts and thinking ''damn, maybe this protocol doesn't work''. When I first got PFS, there was another user here that used to complain despite not doing much, and it made me suicidal and doubting the protocol. Now that I know it works, I don't want the scenario to repeat for other newcomers.

    I recommend that you start by doing a proper 1 year of TMO, while ruling out other infections/conditions and healing your gut.

    But if you're gonna complain without doing the work, I don't know what you're doing here. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Best of luck man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    You said it yourself, you've been off the protocol. Thus, any complaining and thoughts about being immune to recovering has absolutely zero value.

    Honestly, I'm sorry for coming harshly. Perhaps I should've sugar coated it a little bit, but given that you still don't seem to get it, I don't think it would've worked either.

    I don't care if a guy that hasn't done any work for the whole year complains about lack of progress. You do you. The only reason I replied as bluntly is because I don't want new guys seeing your posts and thinking ''damn, maybe this protocol doesn't work''. When I first got PFS, there was another user here that used to complain despite not doing much, and it made me suicidal and doubting the protocol. Now that I know it works, I don't want the scenario to repeat for other newcomers.

    I recommend that you start by doing a proper 1 year of TMO, while ruling out other infections/conditions and healing your gut.

    But if you're gonna complain without doing the work, I don't know what you're doing here. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Best of luck man
    Here we go again with your condescending attitude, the deliberate misinterpretations, and putting words in my mouth.

    When did I say that I was not going to go back on the protocol? I did not say that.

    I was not complaining that the protocol doesn’t work, as you’ve repeatedly mistated. I came back to my thread laying out my cards and my concerns/worries and seeking guidance. I wasn’t here whining “I’m not following the protocol, I’m not getting better, therefore the protocol does not work” or whatever stuff you seem to think I said.

    I doubt that you’re sorry for coming across in such a disrespectful and arrogant way. There’s a difference between “not sugarcoating” things and not treating people properly. CD can be direct without being disrespectful, but I don’t think you know how to do that.

    Anyone who just got PFS and came to my thread would read through the entire thing and make their own judgements, rather than take a few questions here and there and blow them out of proportion. When I first got PFS I spent many hours reading through threads and I know what it’s like.

    If you can’t be polite and respectful when you talk to me, then don’t. Good luck and goodbye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGo View Post
    Here we go again with your condescending attitude, the deliberate misinterpretations, and putting words in my mouth.

    When did I say that I was not going to go back on the protocol? I did not say that.

    I was not complaining that the protocol doesn’t work, as you’ve repeatedly mistated. I came back to my thread laying out my cards and my concerns/worries and seeking guidance. I wasn’t here whining “I’m not following the protocol, I’m not getting better, therefore the protocol does not work” or whatever stuff you seem to think I said.

    I doubt that you’re sorry for coming across in such a disrespectful and arrogant way. There’s a difference between “not sugarcoating” things and not treating people properly. CD can be direct without being disrespectful, but I don’t think you know how to do that.

    Anyone who just got PFS and came to my thread would read through the entire thing and make their own judgements, rather than take a few questions here and there and blow them out of proportion. When I first got PFS I spent many hours reading through threads and I know what it’s like.

    If you can’t be polite and respectful when you talk to me, then don’t. Good luck and goodbye.
    Trust me when you're fucked you don't always want to read a 40 pages thread. Often times, you read a single depressing sentence and your head start spinning.

    I don't want newcomers to get depressed by seeing a 4 years account saying he thinks he is immune to recovering. They shouldn't have to do an archaeological dig to interpret that statement. So my reaction will serve as a reminder that you are not doing the protocol.

    I am honestly sorry for coming harshly. I stand by what I said, but I agree it could've been gentler.

    I won't reply to this thread anymore, there's really no point. Good luck man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    Trust me when you're fucked you don't always want to read a 40 pages thread. Often times, you read a single depressing sentence and your head start spinning.

    I don't want newcomers to get depressed by seeing a 4 years account saying he thinks he is immune to recovering. They shouldn't have to do an archaeological dig to interpret that statement. So my reaction will serve as a reminder that you are not doing the protocol.

    I am honestly sorry for coming harshly. I stand by what I said, but I agree it could've been gentler.

    I won't reply to this thread anymore, there's really no point. Good luck man
    Over the last couple of weeks I started going back to the gym (albeit inconsistently which doesn’t really count, but it’s better than nothing,) and I restarted the herb cycle, for example. I am doing the protocol now (I’m not going to miss workouts so today could be the “official” restart.)

    I maintain that you misunderstand me, and I find it interesting that you couldn’t resist leaving one last parting dig. I appreciate that you’ll stop bothering me, good luck and goodbye.
    Last edited by LetsGo; 09-26-2022 at 07:29 AM.

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