Path to get my life back

[Mistyballoon]

Hi Everyone,

My name is Hugh from Indonesia. 25 years old.

Sorry for my grammar and else since English is not my first language.

Took finasteride while back in 2016-2017ish, not continuously, on and off for the range of those 2 years. I stopped taking it as soon as I feel the side effects (ED) and decrease in Libido. I did not feel the depression and anxiety as part of the side effects since I was already depressed before taking the Finasteride (relationship problem). ED and Libido problem stays until now. I went to see a doctor and he told me to lose weight and exercise, and I did. He also ordered me to check my T from blood test, I got 478.2 ng/DL.

I just realized that the symptoms did not go away as I lost weight and changed my diet (calorie deficit) so I panicked and found out about PFS just last night.



I was depressed enough to get any informations possible, ended up in some youtube videos with comments mentioning this forum. So far very hopeful to get my life back seeing some members actually getting theirs.

I am planning to start the juice fast for 7 days next week and continue with all the routines provided. I am really in the middle of darkness right now and need some comforting, is there really a chance to heal from this situation? Does all the herbs & supplements will give me just another side effects just like Propecia?



Thank you so much and I am looking forward to any tips / informations regarding this PFS problem.

[Cdsnuts]

Hi Everyone,

My name is Hugh from Indonesia. 25 years old.

Sorry for my grammar and else since English is not my first language.

Took finasteride while back in 2016-2017ish, not continuously, on and off for the range of those 2 years. I stopped taking it as soon as I feel the side effects (ED) and decrease in Libido. I did not feel the depression and anxiety as part of the side effects since I was already depressed before taking the Finasteride (relationship problem). ED and Libido problem stays until now. I went to see a doctor and he told me to lose weight and exercise, and I did. He also ordered me to check my T from blood test, I got 478.2 ng/DL.

I just realized that the symptoms did not go away as I lost weight and changed my diet (calorie deficit) so I panicked and found out about PFS just last night.



I was depressed enough to get any informations possible, ended up in some youtube videos with comments mentioning this forum. So far very hopeful to get my life back seeing some members actually getting theirs.

I am planning to start the juice fast for 7 days next week and continue with all the routines provided. I am really in the middle of darkness right now and need some comforting, is there really a chance to heal from this situation? Does all the herbs & supplements will give me just another side effects just like Propecia?



Thank you so much and I am looking forward to any tips / informations regarding this PFS problem.

This place wouldn't be as successful as it's been if it only caused more side effects my man.

Everything you need to know is on TMO and this forum. EVERYTHING. Dive in and start researching/reading.

[Mistyballoon]

This place wouldn't be as successful as it's been if it only caused more side effects my man.

Everything you need to know is on TMO and this forum. EVERYTHING. Dive in and start researching/reading.

Thank you so much for consistently being positive and helping others in this dark times..

BTW I just woke up (its 8AM in Indonesia) and I got my morning wood (60% hard) for some reason...

I think its because I feel theres hope from reading this forum, and also I just told a friend about the problem..

Opening myself about the problem has been pretty good.. Monday I will start my juice feast for 7 days, is there any particular fruits to do / not to do?

For now I'll enjoy some food for my weekend..

[Mistyballoon]

Hi Everyone,

Took my first step onto the journey, started the juice feast today..

I have several questions, would appreciate any informations;

is there any protocol that I need to do on my Juice Feast? Herbs? Workouts?

Once I clear the juice feast (planning to do 7 days) do I need to recondition my body with eating only fruits & veggies, or should I jump right away to paleo?

I have 1 more question; Ive talked to an Andrologist regarding the problem, and told him this caused by finasteride, he seemed to understand what finasteride does and quite supportive. The only thing is he gave me a prescription (custom medicine) that contains : Sidenafil, Diazepam, Vit B1..

I have no problem with sidenafil and vit B1, but for Diazepam, I am kinda unsure because I looked at it on the Internet and found out that Diazepam would cause ED in a high dose. Told my doctor about it and he told me he gave me a very low does (0.75mg) to relax my muscle in my reproductive system.

Does anyone have experiences regarding Diazepam? Paid for my medicine but have not took it because I am afraid.

Thank you very much

Thank you..

[Mojo]

Diazepam is a benzodiazepine prescribed for anxiety disorders. Unless you are experiencing life inhibiting anxiety and relevant insomnia I would not take it. While diazepam (valium) is one of the more lenient benzodiazepines it is still dependency forming and addictive. Withdrawal from benzodiazepines is one of the more dangerous and difficult withdrawals out there. I’m not a doctor, but I’ve had my run with alprazolam (xanax). It helped me at times to relax and sleep, which helped me recover. But I had crushing anxiety.

Edit - 0.75mg of diazepam is an extremely low dose, to the point where I wonder if it even matters to take it. If you want to try it out I’d be very very surprised it even doing anything to you, positive or negative. It most definitely won’t hurt you. But just don’t take it for months.

[Mistyballoon]

Diazepam is a benzodiazepine prescribed for anxiety disorders. Unless you are experiencing life inhibiting anxiety and relevant insomnia I would not take it. While diazepam (valium) is one of the more lenient benzodiazepines it is still dependency forming and addictive. Withdrawal from benzodiazepines is one of the more dangerous and difficult withdrawals out there. I’m not a doctor, but I’ve had my run with alprazolam (xanax). It helped me at times to relax and sleep, which helped me recover. But I had crushing anxiety.

Edit - 0.75mg of diazepam is an extremely low dose, to the point where I wonder if it even matters to take it. If you want to try it out I’d be very very surprised it even doing anything to you, positive or negative. It most definitely won’t hurt you. But just don’t take it for months.

Thank you so much for your reply,

The doctor said the diazepam is for relaxing the muscle in my reproductive system, he did not say anything about the anxiety / insomnia. Personally I don't want to take it for my anxiety, I prefer do it naturally.. But if Diazepam could actually physically help the sexual symptoms, I'd be glad to try.

In case if I decided to try it, is it okay to take it while I'm doing my juice feast?

Thank you.

[Cdsnuts]

Hi Everyone,

Took my first step onto the journey, started the juice feast today..

I have several questions, would appreciate any informations;

is there any protocol that I need to do on my Juice Feast? Herbs? Workouts?

Once I clear the juice feast (planning to do 7 days) do I need to recondition my body with eating only fruits & veggies, or should I jump right away to paleo?

I have 1 more question; Ive talked to an Andrologist regarding the problem, and told him this caused by finasteride, he seemed to understand what finasteride does and quite supportive. The only thing is he gave me a prescription (custom medicine) that contains : Sidenafil, Diazepam, Vit B1..

I have no problem with sidenafil and vit B1, but for Diazepam, I am kinda unsure because I looked at it on the Internet and found out that Diazepam would cause ED in a high dose. Told my doctor about it and he told me he gave me a very low does (0.75mg) to relax my muscle in my reproductive system.

Does anyone have experiences regarding Diazepam? Paid for my medicine but have not took it because I am afraid.

Thank you very much

Thank you..

Very interesting custom med there. I can see why he went that route because those meds combined would certainly help, for short term, but in the long run, it's going to do nothing but set you back.

Follow the protocol EXACTLY as laid out.

[Mistyballoon]

Very interesting custom med there. I can see why he went that route because those meds combined would certainly help, for short term, but in the long run, it's going to do nothing but set you back.

Follow the protocol EXACTLY as laid out.

Yeah I've decided to not use the meds.. Thanks for the input..

2nd day on my juice feast, preparing my herbs to start the full protocol next week.. The only concern is that I cant find any lost empire herbs in Indonesia, it is okay to use different brands? I try to keep it simple to tablets / powders only..

[Mistyballoon]

Hi All,

Been on the protocol for at least 3 months. Paleo, Weightlift, T Boost, Daily Vits, etc..

I gotta say I cheat sometimes on special events like a family wedding or so..

Definitely feel some improvements, morning wood come and go, so does libido too. I guess thats what we call upswing / downswing.

Erection is about 60-70% on good days, 30% on normal days..

I want to add the ultrahard into my regime, but to be honest I've never touch or even learn about it..

Going for another 1 week juice fast next week, am I good to go for UltraHard after that?

If theres a guideline on how to do the UltraHard I would be so pleased to know since theres no strict explanation about this @TMO.

Thanks guys..

[Zonz]

So UltraHard, from IconicForumlations, costs about $80 for a months-worth supply, (though theres a discount code in the sticky).

Your cycle is going to be anywhere from 28-42 days long, I would start with 28 days for your first cycle. You apply 3-5 pumps on your upper body, once a day in the morning, and let it dry for 5 minutes. That replaces your "t boosting herbs" but you still do everything else in the protocol. You still take the daily supplements and any sleep/brain supplements you take.

Your first cycle could look like this:

week 1 - 3 pumps/day

week 2 - 4 pumps/day

week 3 - 5 pumps/day

week 4 - 5 pumps/day

Then get back on the Herbs after week 4.

Your diet should have more carbohydrates on cycle because UH tanks your glucose, so you can eat gluten-free carbs even when it's not backloading time.

You might not feel ANYTHING on your first cycle, or maybe nothing until week 3, or something. Or you might feel amazing. But even if it's hell you have to finish the cycle because you're doing the right thing.