Vahn's quest for glory and saw palmetto destruction!!

[Vahn]

The reason prohormones, especially the DHT based ones speed up the process is because they help regenerate 5ar, which because of it's inhibition (due to propecia/saw palmetto) is the cause of most all PFS issues. Not to mention they flood the already starved body and brain with DHT, which 5ar inhibitors destroy production of, among other things.

I mean, shouldn’t the protocol for a year have helped with that already? I’ve had my upswings, but my genitals are after all this time still, well, destroyed, you could say. I’m at a loss.

[Readytonut]

I mean, shouldn’t the protocol for a year have helped with that already? I’ve had my upswings, but my genitals are after all this time still, well, destroyed, you could say. I’m at a loss.

What do you mean with destroyed? Maybe if youve tried the prohormone protocol and the normal protocol long enough and still didn’t see ayn result you should consider stuff like HCG?

[Cdsnuts]

I mean, shouldn’t the protocol for a year have helped with that already? I’ve had my upswings, but my genitals are after all this time still, well, destroyed, you could say. I’m at a loss.

The protocol for a year has helped with alot, just not what you wanted it to help with on your timeline and in the order you wanted it to happen. That's not how this works.

It will work, but like has been repeated ad nauseum.....6mo-2yrs is the general timeline for recovery. You're only half way through, and that's if you've been 100%

It seems to me you're cutting off your nose to spite your face on this one. Read the board. The PH's have tremendously sped up the recovery of many. Why you are so hesitant to use something that can help you so greatly is beyond me.

[Vahn]

Why you are so hesitant to use something that can help you so greatly is beyond me.

I have read the board and I'm just not convinced they help consistently based on what I've read (not denying those who did great on them, of course). If I was sure it would help, I would have obviously done so already. This is not me willingly denying help.

You could argue to just try it, but I've become, understandably, very cautious of tinkering with things I don't understand. I have too many questions regarding PH use, their mechanism and how they relate to PFS pathology, than I'm comfortable with. Questions that I didn't have with the protocol, as the latter is more of a holistic set and forget approach. I realise now that PH's do more than just "boost T", but if I'm told to grab an Alpha Four because I probably have low E2, when I don't, you can understand why I'm cautious. And if I'm not taking it specifically to target E2, than why is it relevant in the first place? Again, I'm not trying to be a dick about this or trying to deny they work for some people. I just don't understand.

That aside, I've had a couple of members reach out to me who did well on them (thanks!), and I might try it in the future, but I'd have to get back on protocol first. I would also love to bounce off some of these questions with someone knowledgeable.

Also, shoutout to @Damn, who was very kind to speak to me the other day over skype for encouragement and feedback. I really appreciate it man.