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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaleksi View Post
    Ultra Hard has both Androsterone and Epiandrosterone at a 1:3 ratio.

    Androsterone acts as a neurosteroid similar to Allopregnanolone, acts as a thyroid hormone mimetic, and raises DHT, while epiandro ĒonlyĒ increases DHT but doesnít have the other benefits. Epi can also increase anxiety a bit during the cycle as it works as a GABA antagonist.

    They both work the same for increasing 5ar though. I had cycles of UH where my anxiety was worse on it but after coming off I was calmer than ever (increased 5ar = GABA works better)
    Man, thanks for the info! So, seeing that my remaining symptoms are only neuro (intermittent dizziness)/mental (anxiety) wouldn't it be better to avoid the epiandro, so I don't increase my anxiety?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jado View Post
    Man, thanks for the info! So, seeing that my remaining symptoms are only neuro (intermittent dizziness)/mental (anxiety) wouldn't it be better to avoid the epiandro, so I don't increase my anxiety?
    Thatís up to you. I donít really think it matters. The increase in anxiety from the epiandro is only while you are on it. It goes away after you stop the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaleksi View Post
    Thatís up to you. I donít really think it matters. The increase in anxiety from the epiandro is only while you are on it. It goes away after you stop the cycle.
    Ok, man. Thanks again for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxout777 View Post
    Really the only thing I've found to do is run 4-Andro with it, to prevent estrogen tanking. That's why I incorporated it in my last two cycles when recovering from PFS.
    What 4-Andro did you run, IML?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jado View Post
    What 4-Andro did you run, IML?
    Alpha Four has 4-dhea (aka 4-andro) plus androsterone in it - it has been discontinued and existing product is all that's left...if you're interested in trying it, this would be the opportune time to get some...before it's gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jado View Post
    What 4-Andro did you run, IML?
    I ran IMLís oral Super 4-Andro Rx. Was a blue capsule in the black bottles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    Alpha Four has 4-dhea (aka 4-andro) plus androsterone in it - it has been discontinued and existing product is all that's left...if you're interested in trying it, this would be the opportune time to get some...before it's gone
    Wouldn't this work work a a replacement?

    Super 4-Andro Cream IronMag Labs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxout777 View Post
    I ran IMLís oral Super 4-Andro Rx. Was a blue capsule in the black bottles.
    Would this work?

    Super 4-Andro Cream IronMag Labs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jado View Post
    Wouldn't this work work a a replacement?

    Super 4-Andro Cream IronMag Labs

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    Would this work?

    Super 4-Andro Cream IronMag Labs
    It's theoretically the same compound as the one I took, from the same vendor. Just transdermal versus oral. Some people respond better to transdermal, some people respond better to oral. It's totally bioindividual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxout777 View Post
    It's theoretically the same compound as the one I took, from the same vendor. Just transdermal versus oral. Some people respond better to transdermal, some people respond better to oral. It's totally bioindividual.
    Ok, that's what I thought. Thanks man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jado View Post
    Wouldn't this work work a a replacement?

    Super 4-Andro Cream IronMag Labs

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    Would this work?

    Super 4-Andro Cream IronMag Labs
    It's a lower dose and missing the androsterone the Alpha Four had - I would get alpha four while you can.

    Also, from discussions I've had with the patent holder, IML does not appear to have rights to make their topical 4-andro and there will likely be legal action taken against them...I wouldn't expect that product to be available long term

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