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    Big mistake, vitamin B crashed me badly

    I wanted to kill my tinnitus so I ordered some B vitamins. I made sure to avoid methyl vitamins to avoid methyl crashes as I have seen reported.

    I still got fucked. Went to bed last night and had all the symptoms of my first crash. Mega anxiety, jitters, insomnia, rubbery dick, huge tinnitus, no libido. Slept 3 hours, which has never happened since January.

    Woke up this morning and I'm still fucked. However I had morning wood and I could get an erection, so I guess I am not back to ground zero.

    I feel hopeless and terrified. I was doing so good. Whats the plan from here? Keep the cycle? Stop the cycle and fast?

    I need help guys :/

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    Are you 100% positively sure you didnt have an anxiety attack because of the idea playing in your mind that B's could fuck you up?

    Saying this because I had an anxiety attack just moving the box of fin to my trash recently, because I could not stop thinking about absurd scenario's where airborn fin molecules would touch my skin and make me crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
    Are you 100% positively sure you didnt have an anxiety attack because of the idea playing in your mind that B's could fuck you up?

    Saying this because I had an anxiety attack just moving the box of fin to my trash recently, because I could not stop thinking about absurd scenario's where airborn fin molecules would touch my skin and make me crash.
    I'm positive.

    I took the vitamin in the afternoon and never thought about it until I was lying in my bed with tinglings limbs, mega anxiety and insomnia. Also when testing my junk this morning, erections were noticeably harder to get, and it was much harder to feel orgasm coming (whereas for the last 5 months I had massive premature ejaculation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    I'm positive.

    I took the vitamin in the afternoon and never thought about it until I was lying in my bed with tinglings limbs, mega anxiety and insomnia. Also when testing my junk this morning, erections were noticeably harder to get, and it was much harder to feel orgasm coming (whereas for the last 5 months I had massive premature ejaculation)
    It was a little hard for me to tell, but are you on cycle with pro-hormones?

    I'm not sure what your baseline currently is, but I noticed as I got better my crashes lasted less and less time if I accidently ate or took something that badly effected me. It got down to a few days to a week where I would recover from a crash and I'd know not to touch that again, so it's very possible you're just in for a few rough days. The important thing isn't to freak out. It's gonna suck for a little bit, but you'll pull through soon.

    If you're NOT on a PH cycle, I found that mega dosing Tonget Ali, Tribulus, Pine Powder, and Shilajit for a day or two helped right the ship more quickly before resuming my regular herb cycle.

    And honestly, I feel like there should be a sticky thread in this form with a list of foods/supplements to avoid. It would make things way easier for everyone and help prevent situations like this. Now, just to be on the safe side, I often search for a compound or food on this forum that I'm not sure of because I'm that paranoid of 5AR inhibiters in my daily life going forward. I ain't going through PFS again.

    EDIT: Also, take some L-Theanine and do some Wim Hoff breathing man. Focus on your breathing and try to calm down. If you can't sleep, get up and do some yoga or watch a comfort show. This'll be over before you know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Mal View Post
    It was a little hard for me to tell, but are you on cycle with pro-hormones?

    I'm not sure what your baseline currently is, but I noticed as I got better my crashes lasted less and less time if I accidently ate or took something that badly effected me. It got down to a few days to a week where I would recover from a crash and I'd know not to touch that again, so it's very possible you're just in for a few rough days. The important thing isn't to freak out. It's gonna suck for a little bit, but you'll pull through soon.

    If you're NOT on a PH cycle, I found that mega dosing Tonget Ali, Tribulus, Pine Powder, and Shilajit for a day or two helped right the ship more quickly before resuming my regular herb cycle.

    And honestly, I feel like there should be a sticky thread in this form with a list of foods/supplements to avoid. It would make things way easier for everyone and help prevent situations like this. Now, just to be on the safe side, I often search for a compound or food on this forum that I'm not sure of because I'm that paranoid of 5AR inhibiters in my daily life going forward. I ain't going through PFS again.

    EDIT: Also, take some L-Theanine and do some Wim Hoff breathing man. Focus on your breathing and try to calm down. If you can't sleep, get up and do some yoga or watch a comfort show. This'll be over before you know it.
    Thanks for the response. Yes I'm on 4 pumps of Ultrahard and 4 pumps AlphaFour since 2 weeks.

    I also make sure to avoid 5ar foods if I can, but honestly for the last weeks I was eating tomatoes and salmon with no problem. I don't understand how the B Complex can do that, since there is no methyl in it.

    I have not had any major setback like this, so this is terrifying. This week I made out with my first girl since PFS, and I was expecting to sleep with her on Wednesday. Which is huge when you see the abyss from which I came in December. So it's hard to take mentally, and to see my rubbery libido-less dick.

    Reading this morning on propeciahelp that a guy committed suicide after a methyl crash probably doesn't help either.

    Well, if I got 80% better in 6 months of protocol, I guess I can do it again

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    Now that I think about it, I also took almost a double dose of tongkat ali on Tuesday night, before seeing the girl.

    Is it possible that taking a potent herb while on cycle can crash you with a 1 day delay?

    Im just trying to figure this out

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    Well, first of all I wouldn't take an herb while cycling. I don't *think* that crashed you though. I'd take a cialis or viagra instead. They're good to use in a clutch situation.

    And yeah, tomatoes and salmon ain't gonna fuck with you if you're doing well in my experience. I ate sushi even during my worst days and it didn't set me back. I'd watch the tomatoes due to inflammation, though. Tumeric was the one that did me in. I fucking love curry and can absolutely eat it, but eating it for a week straight (I meal prep) has caused me to slip.

    I completely understand feeling anxious about hooking up with someone during a crash. If you need to call it off, tell her you don't feel well and promise to reschedule and she'll totally understand. You can also just tell her you're feeling crappy, aren't up for sex, but really want to see her so offer to take her out to dinner and make out with her a little outside the restaurant before you say goodbye. That one has worked for me.

    And for the love of god, STAY OFF PROPECIA HELP. That place will only make you feel worse.

    Throw away the B-vitamins. (if you really need something like them, try niacinamide. It's great for to take with prohormones and herbs). Chill out, and let this pass. You're probably not going to be fucked for six months. At the VERY MOST (in my experience), it'll be three weeks. But it'll probably be closer to a week if you treat your body right. Since on your on cycle, you may bounce back sooner, but you might want to consider ending your cycle early and restarting when you feel better.

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    I don't want to be that guy, but noone else will so:

    You need to get out of your own head man, the way you talk about this seems a tad too obsessive and overthinking.

    But I'm guilty of that too. And these crashes happen to me as well. As soon as you buckle up and get a positive mindset back you get out of this faster than you think. Please don't underestimate the insidious nature of anxious thinking. It destroys people, not just the ones with PFS.

    If I was in your place right now I'd hit it hard with some wim hoff and mindfulness excercises. If you have a sauna in your gym go bake for a bit and take an ice cold shower straight after.

    If you indeed crashed of these vitamins, shit might suck for a bit but its not over, we have anecdotal evidence right here on this forum. So face that shit and grind the pain out.

    And about procepiahelp: there is really no reason at all to go there man. I get you wanted some kind of confirmation or insight about the methyls but reading anything on that site will more likely be negative and unhelpful.
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    Thank you for both your responses, I truly appreciate it. Thanks for being there when I truly need it. I take notes of everything you said.

    I had tinnitus and sound sensitivity, but they were slowlyyy going away. Since I went for dental cleaning with ultrasonic tools on tuesday, they are way higher. But ever since the vitamin B crash the next night, it's not livable. Grilling chicken in the pan is too noisy for my ears.

    Does anyone have experience with hyperacusis like that? Is it possible that the dental cleaning caused permanent damage to my pfs damaged ears? Or will it just cause a temporary spike?

    I had some good hyperacusis in February but it got much better. I am just concerned that since this spike got caused by acoustic trauma rather than finasteride, that it may be harder to reverse.

    I am working on being less overthinking. If my ears were fine, I would be hopeful about bouncing back from this episode

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    Thank you for both your responses, I truly appreciate it. Thanks for being there when I truly need it. I take notes of everything you said.

    I had tinnitus and sound sensitivity, but they were slowlyyy going away. Since I went for dental cleaning with ultrasonic tools on tuesday, they are way higher. But ever since the vitamin B crash the next night, it's not livable. Grilling chicken in the pan is too noisy for my ears.

    Does anyone have experience with hyperacusis like that? Is it possible that the dental cleaning caused permanent damage to my pfs damaged ears? Or will it just cause a temporary spike?

    I had some good hyperacusis in February but it got much better. I am just concerned that since this spike got caused by acoustic trauma rather than finasteride, that it may be harder to reverse.

    I am working on being less overthinking. If my ears were fine, I would be hopeful about bouncing back from this episode
    I admit I never got tinnitus, even though I hear it's a common symptom. It might be worth investing in a white noise machine? Even after you recover they're mighty handy.

    And look, I've crashed plenty. It was a helluva time figuring out what my body was cool with and what it absolutely couldn't tolerate. Some things that make other people crash don't effect me at all and vice versa. But I always bounced back. Always. Your body wants to fix itself.
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