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    Wanting to get into prohormones but have a few questions

    I'm a unique PFS sufferer who never took Fin, but instead seem to have gotten it from excessive weed smoking and other behaviors as a teenager. As such I don't have the severity of effects that many sufferers do, and I react quite well to most herb cycling though I do build up resistance quite quick.

    I'm 26 at the moment, and I'm not somewhat recovered as long as I'm boosted with herbs and supplements. I've been cycling herbs and supplements intuitively for the past 3-4 years, I didn't realize there was supposed to be a science behind it like there is on this forum. I also incidentally ran across Wim Hof method like this forum recommends too.

    I want to get into pro-hormones to really boost my recovery and help me feel better, even if it's just for 8 weeks. However, I have a few pressing questions:

    1. Are prohormones suppressive? Is any sort of PCT needed?

    2. I'm prone to hairloss when I take very androgenic herbs and supplements, will prohormones have the same effect? Are there some that make you lose more hair than others?

    3. My most pressing symptom is bad insomnia. Is there a certain pro-hormone that worse/better for that than the others.

    4. What are the potential risks of prohormones that I should watch out for?

    5. How are you supposed to rub the cream onto your chest/shoulders/stomach area if those areas are covered in hair? Should you just rub in areas where there isn't hair, like the sides of the torso?

    Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

    Edit, here are my blood test results if this helps come up with any specific advice or recommendations. SHBG, prolactin, estrogen and cortisol are a touch high.


    Total testosterone - 17.8 nmol/L - (6 - 28)

    SHBG - 45 nmol/L - (15 - 50)

    Free testosterone - 308 pmol/L - (200 - 600)

    FSH - 4 IU/L - (1 - 8)

    LH - 2 IU/L - (2 - 8)

    Oestradiol - 115 pmol/L - (< 150)

    Progesterone - 2.8 nmol/L - (< 4.1)

    Prolactin - 292 mIU/L - (45 - 375)

    Cortisol - 427 nmol/L - (110 - 550)

    FT4 - 13.0 pmol/L - (9.0 - 25.0)

    TSH - 1.68 mIU/L - (0.40 - 4.00)

    FT3 - 5.8 pmol/L - (3.5 - 6.5)

    Vitamin D - 88 nmol/L - (deficiency <50 nmol/L)

    Insulin - 5 mIU/L - (2 - 12 mU/L)

    DHEA-sulphate - 8.1 μmol/L - (4.8 - 13.9)
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    Iím not gonna pretend I understand even a modicum of PFSÖ but your bloods look fine and in normal ranges. Have you stopped smoking weed? Is your diet good, are you sleeping well, are you working out?

    This sounds more psychosomatic than anything else. Or, youíre starting to face the unfortunate reality of getting older and your sex drive start tapering off.

    Otherwise idk why you think you have it. What makes you believe you have PFS?

    To answer your questions quickly and tell you that you need to read more as well.

    1-Yes, prohormones are suppressive to varying degrees. Youíll need a PCT no matter what, to what degree, thatís what you need to learn first.

    2-if youíre prone to hair loss on herbs, you will certainly feel it on steroids, much more so. Why is this? You need to do research to find out why.

    3-steroids generally can cause snoring ime and others. They notice snoring more on cycle. If that causes you to wake up you may need to not do it. Havenít really heard of insomnia from most steroids, but there are a few that can really wreck it. You need to do research to find out which ones.

    4-plenty, do research.

    5- is this a serious question? Do you not put lotion on your arms cuz of hair? Same concept mate, just rub it in dude.

    You need to do real research before you fuck yourself up. A good portion of these questions could be answered in literally 2 seconds of google. The old days you would be told to fuck off and do some research because itís not our job to hold your hand through a simple Google search. Forums were for actual discussions.

    Check this out: LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallstraw View Post
    I’m not gonna pretend I understand even a modicum of PFS… but your bloods look fine and in normal ranges. Have you stopped smoking weed? Is your diet good, are you sleeping well, are you working out?

    This sounds more psychosomatic than anything else. Or, you’re starting to face the unfortunate reality of getting older and your sex drive start tapering off.

    Otherwise idk why you think you have it. What makes you believe you have PFS?

    To answer your questions quickly and tell you that you need to read more as well.

    1-Yes, prohormones are suppressive to varying degrees. You’ll need a PCT no matter what, to what degree, that’s what you need to learn first.

    2-if you’re prone to hair loss on herbs, you will certainly feel it on steroids, much more so. Why is this? You need to do research to find out why.

    3-steroids generally can cause snoring ime and others. They notice snoring more on cycle. If that causes you to wake up you may need to not do it. Haven’t really heard of insomnia from most steroids, but there are a few that can really wreck it. You need to do research to find out which ones.

    4-plenty, do research.

    5- is this a serious question? Do you not put lotion on your arms cuz of hair? Same concept mate, just rub it in dude.

    You need to do real research before you fuck yourself up. A good portion of these questions could be answered in literally 2 seconds of google. The old days you would be told to fuck off and do some research because it’s not our job to hold your hand through a simple Google search. Forums were for actual discussions.

    Check this out: LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You
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    Pretty good, just got to Iraq for another deployment. This stuff is pretty sweet this time around. Finally COVID isn’t quite as gay and making everything so annoying. Like it did my last deployment. So honestly really great. First time in a long time I’ve been doing phenomenally rather than just getting by or good. For shits and gig I’m doing a Halo/MENT cycle. Like 75mg halo and 30mg ment ed. Probably the weakest cycle I have done in years but god damn do I feel good and the gains are great lol. I now know what people talk about with the trest making people feel great. I know the conversion is minimal but gosh darn this has been the first cycle in a long time I don’t feel like shit lol. I THINK I’m done with Tren and all that other shit lol. It’s test, when I’m able and nothing else.

    I check in every month or so. But don’t post, not a lot for me here these days. But I always say Ill try, and I will continue to lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallstraw View Post
    Pretty good, just got to Iraq for another deployment. This stuff is pretty sweet this time around. Finally COVID isn’t quite as gay and making everything so annoying. Like it did my last deployment. So honestly really great. First time in a long time I’ve been doing phenomenally rather than just getting by or good. For shits and gig I’m doing a Halo/MENT cycle. Like 75mg halo and 30mg ment ed. Probably the weakest cycle I have done in years but god damn do I feel good and the gains are great lol. I now know what people talk about with the trest making people feel great. I know the conversion is minimal but gosh darn this has been the first cycle in a long time I don’t feel like shit lol. I THINK I’m done with Tren and all that other shit lol. It’s test, when I’m able and nothing else.

    I check in every month or so. But don’t post, not a lot for me here these days. But I always say Ill try, and I will continue to lol.
    Thanks for your service brother.

    Yeah, that's what the old heads say.....Test or nothing.....I've heard good things about Trest though too. Never ran gear......yet.....lol. I don't think I want to open that can. I know I'd want to be on it forever. Thankfully I feel best on just some herbs and creatine mostly. I'll cycle in the summer....something light, like UH or 4. Good shit for PH's. I have always wanted to try Test. I know how I feel naturally when I'm firing on all cylinders.....I don't think I'd want to see what that feels like...lol

    Edit: I just had an idea. You should do a blog...."From the Eyes of a Soldier" I would read it for sure. Calls covid "gay" fucking love it

    Glad to see you're thriving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Thanks for your service brother.

    Yeah, that's what the old heads say.....Test or nothing.....I've heard good things about Trest though too. Never ran gear......yet.....lol. I don't think I want to open that can. I know I'd want to be on it forever. Thankfully I feel best on just some herbs and creatine mostly. I'll cycle in the summer....something light, like UH or 4. Good shit for PH's. I have always wanted to try Test. I know how I feel naturally when I'm firing on all cylinders.....I don't think I'd want to see what that feels like...lol
    No thanks needed my man! I’m contractor my paycheck says all the thanks I need hah!
    I think I’m starting to put stock in what I used to hear. Actually to b frank, between here is PP mostly just about everything that was said was more than often true and most has come to fruition. Test and primo maybe low trest are all you could need. I think trest on a low dose really will be like Tren like they say with all the wellbeing, non of the insomnia or aggression and lots of size gains and leaning out effect. I think the high doses are where it runs into real issues with the methyl estrogen. Wouldn’t know though. I just ordered a bunch of trestace tabs form a sarm source no idea if its legit or not. Don’t know any labs you can even send off to be tested now. But if its legit, should be a great oral for well being and making the baby batter sterilized while I travel and fuck off between deployments lol. No babies for me. Since that was the original point of it anyways, and frankly I see why now. I think it can replace test in a lot fo ways if this is anything to go off. Ill see once I try the tabs and am using the active rather than the pH.

    I think that was my problem. I was so used to gear all the time, I just ran it to be on it. I wasn’t utilizing it how it should have been. But I think I finally have a lid on it and my 30’s has been some wake up calls in very good ways. Which is another reason why I think this cycle has been going so well. Big doses isn’t a crutch, my habits and all are paying off now since this is my first cycle in a while and its just very moderate at best.

    It’s weird how recreationally beneficial steroids can be, as well as abused simply for the personality effects. And would agree best not to open that can if you be gotten along well so far without. Once I hit where I want to be. Ill be done with cycles for a while. Try the AH route and stuff like that where I can get by without much suppression and just piggy back the work I put in. But for now I’ve still got some filling out on my frame to do in a short period of time. So ill keep the halo and trest but I think within a year or two I’m done with all of them for the most part and will start working on optimizing my hormones and stuff and just the PH like you listed instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallstraw View Post
    No thanks needed my man! I’m contractor my paycheck says all the thanks I need hah!
    I think I’m starting to put stock in what I used to hear. Actually to b frank, between here is PP mostly just about everything that was said was more than often true and most has come to fruition. Test and primo maybe low trest are all you could need. I think trest on a low dose really will be like Tren like they say with all the wellbeing, non of the insomnia or aggression and lots of size gains and leaning out effect. I think the high doses are where it runs into real issues with the methyl estrogen. Wouldn’t know though. I just ordered a bunch of trestace tabs form a sarm source no idea if its legit or not. Don’t know any labs you can even send off to be tested now. But if its legit, should be a great oral for well being and making the baby batter sterilized while I travel and fuck off between deployments lol. No babies for me. Since that was the original point of it anyways, and frankly I see why now. I think it can replace test in a lot fo ways if this is anything to go off. Ill see once I try the tabs and am using the active rather than the pH.

    I think that was my problem. I was so used to gear all the time, I just ran it to be on it. I wasn’t utilizing it how it should have been. But I think I finally have a lid on it and my 30’s has been some wake up calls in very good ways. Which is another reason why I think this cycle has been going so well. Big doses isn’t a crutch, my habits and all are paying off now since this is my first cycle in a while and its just very moderate at best.

    It’s weird how recreationally beneficial steroids can be, as well as abused simply for the personality effects. And would agree best not to open that can if you be gotten along well so far without. Once I hit where I want to be. Ill be done with cycles for a while. Try the AH route and stuff like that where I can get by without much suppression and just piggy back the work I put in. But for now I’ve still got some filling out on my frame to do in a short period of time. So ill keep the halo and trest but I think within a year or two I’m done with all of them for the most part and will start working on optimizing my hormones and stuff and just the PH like you listed instead.
    Good to see an old head!

    I got as ripped as I've ever been this summer. Not as big, but just riiipppeed. Ran the UH and Four. 14 weeks.......lol. Went a little long.My Story |

    Dude...I gotta know....how do you get laid in Muslim countries?

    I still keep in touch with alot of the old PP guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Good to see an old head!

    I got as ripped as I've ever been this summer. Not as big, but just riiipppeed. Ran the UH and Four. 14 weeks.......lol. Went a little long.My Story |

    Dude...I gotta know....how do you get laid in Muslim countries?

    I still keep in touch with alot of the old PP guys.
    That’s my goal now, I’m gonna go to Bali and some other places this RnR for Feb and Mar and I’m trying to suns out guns out babyyy. Lol

    In Afghanistan, you don’t. Unless you’re fucking a military chick. But its a damn meat market out here for the them and desert 10’s can pick guys that wouldn’t even let them hold their socks back stateside.. so I don’t even try. But Here in Iraq, before COVID we could leave if we didn’t get in trouble and go into town here in Kurdistan. So go stay in a hotel room and pick up some escorts. Haha

    Normally I’d Just bang some escorts in Dubai on my way in and out of Afghanistan. The hilarious part being I have made friends with just about every one of them and they show me around their countries after when I’m on RNR and in the area and fuck for free cuz they wanna. like i stay at their houses or apartments for free xD

    Escorts thing is very real here in Kurdistan and I heard its a lot of Iranians.
    I’m a degen, so ill probably do it if given the chance xD
    But otherwise, mate, its dry spells lol.

    That’s cool that you keep in touch with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallstraw View Post
    That’s my goal now, I’m gonna go to Bali and some other places this RnR for Feb and Mar and I’m trying to suns out guns out babyyy. Lol

    In Afghanistan, you don’t. Unless you’re fucking a military chick. But its a damn meat market out here for the them and desert 10’s can pick guys that wouldn’t even let them hold their socks back stateside.. so I don’t even try. But Here in Iraq, before COVID we could leave if we didn’t get in trouble and go into town here in Kurdistan. So go stay in a hotel room and pick up some escorts. Haha

    Normally I’d Just bang some escorts in Dubai on my way in and out of Afghanistan. The hilarious part being I have made friends with just about every one of them and they show me around their countries after when I’m on RNR and in the area and fuck for free cuz they wanna. like i stay at their houses or apartments for free xD

    Escorts thing is very real here in Kurdistan and I heard its a lot of Iranians.
    I’m a degen, so ill probably do it if given the chance xD
    But otherwise, mate, its dry spells lol.

    That’s cool that you keep in touch with them.
    "Actually to b frank, between here is PP mostly just about everything that was said was more than often true and most has come to fruition. " This is such a true statement. That's because we had a solid board with genuine guys. It just came together that way. Weird. Everyone that comes here can feel the more laid back vibe......

    I would love to fuck a middle eastern woman just.....just because....lol.

    Addicted to the adrenaline?? I would imagine your work really is effected if your having a "bad day" lol..Gotta be on point...No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    "Actually to b frank, between here is PP mostly just about everything that was said was more than often true and most has come to fruition. " This is such a true statement. That's because we had a solid board with genuine guys. It just came together that way. Weird. Everyone that comes here can feel the more laid back vibe......

    I would love to fuck a middle eastern woman just.....just because....lol.

    Addicted to the adrenaline?? I would imagine your work really is effected if your having a "bad day" lol..Gotta be on point...No?
    Yeah i wish i could have told younger me to listen, because these WERE the guys who knew what they were talking about lol. Unlike PHF pushing the bounds where a guy ran SD at like 80mg or some shit for 8 weeks lmfao

    My work isn’t affected so much, but the guys i work with will be lol. Ill snap someone up real quick if its one of those days, and vice versa, personality mitigation is probably your biggest concern. Trying not to take it personally when you’re the target of the aggression of all the bottled up thing in their life pouring over finally. That happens a lot when you’re out here. Marriages failing, bills, kids with no real outlets except the gym lol. But the tempo already seems different here in Iraq and its my firs time. Not shit is happening so far out here lol.

    When i was in Germany i met an iranian who immigrated there when she was younger. Very pretty girl, and very cool. Fucks like a champ, i think i saw on insta she’s just been married.
    Hilariously everyone from the US has the same reaction. We used to fly through Kuwait pre-COVID to go to Afghanistan. And you always think the women are gonna be desert dregs. Everyone does, and then you stroll through the airport to get your visa when you arrive and see the finest, prettiest, most feminine girls with the fattest asses.. wearing white pants you can see through to their cheeks when the sun strikes the pants in the light since they’re so light and airy cuz of the heat. Everyone takin back by what you thought the Middle East was xD. I did it, everyone i know who hadn’t been there before did it.

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