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    GYNO emergency

    My nipples/gyno hurt after cycling the herbs especially the T boosters. When I stop it starts to hurt and get worse.

    Any advice on how to move forward with this?
    People on here generally advice to do protocol properly? or to start an PH cycle to shrink the gyno.

    After doing some research i came across a dude (non PFS guy) who did a PH cylce and got gyno from it... so it seems like this possible but risky when the PCT is not done properly

    Moreplatesmoredates recommends raloxifene or tamoxifene to reverse gyno but this is a no go in this forum so it seems like there are no options left to get rid of it?

    My nipples started to hurt after doing tongkat, tribulus etc. and then stopping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Readytonut View Post
    My nipples/gyno hurt after cycling the herbs especially the T boosters. When I stop it starts to hurt and get worse.

    Any advice on how to move forward with this?
    People on here generally advice to do protocol properly? or to start an PH cycle to shrink the gyno.

    After doing some research i came across a dude (non PFS guy) who did a PH cylce and got gyno from it... so it seems like this possible but risky when the PCT is not done properly

    Moreplatesmoredates recommends raloxifene or tamoxifene to reverse gyno but this is a no go in this forum so it seems like there are no options left to get rid of it?

    My nipples started to hurt after doing tongkat, tribulus etc. and then stopping.
    There’s a gland behind/near your nipples that causes the gyno when estrogen levels get too high. The cure for this is a relatively minor surgery where they remove a portion of the gland, which corrects the problem and stops it from happening again. I’m not sure if it’s possible to reverse it through a drug; once you start growing breasts, they don’t go away without surgery.

    The prohormones are a precursor to DHT; the body turns it into DHT. That’s not going to get rid of gyno. Think about women who take things like testosterone injections and proviron (prescription DHT), for bodybuilding — they still have their original breasts. It causes their genitals and face to start masculinizing, but it doesn’t reduce their breasts at all. DHT does not eliminate estrogen, and it does not convert to estrogen, so the prohormones should not affect your gyno.

    On the other hand, testosterone can convert into estrogen. So if your testosterone was too high for your body to handle, some of it might get converted into estrogen, which could cause gyno like you’re describing.

    MorePlatesMoreDates is giving advice for drugs that would reduce your estrogen, and estrogen is what causes additional gyno growth. Reducing your estrogen wouldn’t reverse the growth that has already happened. Also it would interfere with your recovery from PFS because you’d be messing around with your hormones in an unpredictable way.

    If your gyno is significant (you’re starting to grow breasts) then I’d schedule an appointment with a surgeon who does lots of gyno surgeries. This is an easy surgery. On the other hand if it’s just some nipple pain but no breast growth, maybe get a blood test to see if estrogen is super high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGo View Post
    There’s a gland behind/near your nipples that causes the gyno when estrogen levels get too high. The cure for this is a relatively minor surgery where they remove a portion of the gland, which corrects the problem and stops it from happening again. I’m not sure if it’s possible to reverse it through a drug; once you start growing breasts, they don’t go away without surgery.

    The prohormones are a precursor to DHT; the body turns it into DHT. That’s not going to get rid of gyno. Think about women who take things like testosterone injections and proviron (prescription DHT), for bodybuilding — they still have their original breasts. It causes their genitals and face to start masculinizing, but it doesn’t reduce their breasts at all. DHT does not eliminate estrogen, and it does not convert to estrogen, so the prohormones should not affect your gyno.

    On the other hand, testosterone can convert into estrogen. So if your testosterone was too high for your body to handle, some of it might get converted into estrogen, which could cause gyno like you’re describing.

    MorePlatesMoreDates is giving advice for drugs that would reduce your estrogen, and estrogen is what causes additional gyno growth. Reducing your estrogen wouldn’t reverse the growth that has already happened. Also it would interfere with your recovery from PFS because you’d be messing around with your hormones in an unpredictable way.

    If your gyno is significant (you’re starting to grow breasts) then I’d schedule an appointment with a surgeon who does lots of gyno surgeries. This is an easy surgery. On the other hand if it’s just some nipple pain but no breast growth, maybe get a blood test to see if estrogen is super high.
    1. that means i cant use any T boosting herbs, because they ALLWAYS make my gyno flare up.
    2. So you are suggesting using PHs to increase DHT and therefore stop gyno growth?
    3. ralox and tamox can actually reverse the gyno, there are literally studies about this, but of course the PFS argument is valid. could be risky for a PFS guy.
    4. Im broke af right now. gyno surgeries cost a shit ton of money which i dont have.... thats why im exploring other options like ralox or PHs. This all is part of my research
    5. i send you some pics via dm to see if surgery is even necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Readytonut View Post
    1. that means i cant use any T boosting herbs, because they ALLWAYS make my gyno flare up.
    2. So you are suggesting using PHs to increase DHT and therefore stop gyno growth?
    3. ralox and tamox can actually reverse the gyno, there are literally studies about this, but of course the PFS argument is valid. could be risky for a PFS guy.
    4. Im broke af right now. gyno surgeries cost a shit ton of money which i dont have.... thats why im exploring other options like ralox or PHs. This all is part of my research
    5. i send you some pics via dm to see if surgery is even necessary.
    1. Personally I think recovering from PFS is worth any gyno, if you had to choose between getting gyno vs not recovering. You can always get the gyno removed later on when you have the money. That’s smarter, imo, than saying “I will wait to recover from PFS until I have enough money to afford gyno surgery.”

    2. I’m not suggesting using PHs to reverse gyno. It won’t work in my opinion. Also you will need the t-boosting herb cycles in between PH cycles, to avoid suppression from the PHs.

    3. You may have done more research about this than me, I’ve never heard of that but I also never did a deep dive on gyno. Many bodybuilders end up getting the gyno surgery though.

    4. I’m not sure what the surgery costs or if you have health insurance that would cover it. If you don’t have access to the surgery for financial/insurance reasons then I understand that. If it’s possible to earn some extra money to save up for it, that would be an option. If you’re a student in an intense college program and that’s not an option, you could get a summer job and try to make as much money as possible to pay for it. If it’s truly impossible to make more money, if you feel like you’re totally maxing out, you might be underestimating yourself.

    5. I’m not really able to tell from the photo, only a doctor can diagnose gyno. If you have health insurance, even your regular doctor should be able to tell if it’s gyno or not, so that would be my first recommendation if you can’t see a specialist.

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    More Plates More Dates also recommends finasteride, ru58841 and other poisons, lol.

    As for helping reduce your gyno, go with pine pollen and/or a DHT prohormone.

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    Ok.....a few things:

    DHT antagonizes estrogen, so it DOES reduce estrogen in the system. I've known guys to get rid of minor gyno by applying DHT based PH's directly on their pecs.

    You said it happens when you STOP taking the herbs, correct?

    Add in a tablespoon of pine pollen daily while rotating the herbs.

    Go light on the carb backloading, for now.

    Are you completely free from Xenoestrogens?

    Throw in some DIM every other day or so.....

    Some guys aromatise way too fast (turn Test to Estrogen)

    That being said I've never had a guy get gyno from the protocol.....ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdsnuts View Post
    Ok.....a few things:

    DHT antagonizes estrogen, so it DOES reduce estrogen in the system. I've known guys to get rid of minor gyno by applying DHT based PH's directly on their pecs.

    You said it happens when you STOP taking the herbs, correct?

    Add in a tablespoon of pine pollen daily while rotating the herbs.

    Go light on the carb backloading, for now.

    Are you completely free from Xenoestrogens?

    Throw in some DIM every other day or so.....

    Some guys aromatise way too fast (turn Test to Estrogen)

    That being said I've never had a guy get gyno from the protocol.....ever.
    Thank you so much bro! Nice to see you back again.

    I didnt get gyno from the protocol, unfortunatly I got it from finasteride, the herbs only made it bigger

    Everytime i use supps like vit D or zinc my gyno starts to hurt?

    When i cycle certain herbs i feel amazing during brief periods but on some days i feel like my anxiety increases to a point where it feels like im crashing or what ever...

    That anxiety increase happend after taking stuff like tribulus, tongkat, maca or muria puama. The highs felt amazing but the lows were very bad and painful.

    I feel like my estrogen shoots up when i stopp the herbs. Everytime my gyno grew a little.

    my estrogen is already borderline to high and im pretty sure i aromatize to much.

    can you give me some names for DHT based PHs? you mean something like ultrahard with Epiandrosterone and Androsterone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Readytonut View Post
    Thank you so much bro! Nice to see you back again.

    I didnt get gyno from the protocol, unfortunatly I got it from finasteride, the herbs only made it bigger

    Everytime i use supps like vit D or zinc my gyno starts to hurt?

    When i cycle certain herbs i feel amazing during brief periods but on some days i feel like my anxiety increases to a point where it feels like im crashing or what ever...

    That anxiety increase happend after taking stuff like tribulus, tongkat, maca or muria puama. The highs felt amazing but the lows were very bad and painful.

    I feel like my estrogen shoots up when i stopp the herbs. Everytime my gyno grew a little.

    my estrogen is already borderline to high and im pretty sure i aromatize to much.

    can you give me some names for DHT based PHs? you mean something like ultrahard with Epiandrosterone and Androsterone?
    Exactly. That is your best and quickest bet to reduce or eliminate the gyno.
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