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    Iím almost 40 I can not get my testosterone levels above 207. Would TRT with HCG be good with the rest of the protocol? Thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queens1984 View Post
    Iím almost 40 I can not get my testosterone levels above 207. Would TRT with HCG be good with the rest of the protocol? Thanks guys
    Nope.

    First of all, if you live in the United States (which Iím guessing you do since you have Queens in your username,) itís impossible to get HCG legally, since no U.S. pharmacy has the new credentials needed to make it. Importing it is illegal.

    Secondly, taking testosterone will cause a feedback loop that causes you to stop making your own testosterone. If it was beneficial, it would be in the protocol. While HCG causes the body to make more testosterone despite taking testosterone, the body and PFS are more complicated than that. Itís not going to cure the disease, and it will prevent the protocolís natural healing from occurring since youíre blasting your system with things that are altering its hormones. You will disrupt things enough to where healing wonít happen.

    Also, you cannot safely take HCG permanently. Bodybuilders would do a cycle of steroids and then a cycle of HCG and clomid to re-inflate their shriveled testicles. If you take HCG long term, eventually it will stop working, so you canít just use them both for potentially 2 years as you do the protocol.

    If youíre dead-set on going the pharma route, there are guys on the Whatsapp group - search for someone called Joe and find the Whatsapp group. I donít think they have a protocol, itís more of an experimental thing.

    There is a deeply troubled man here who posts the same suicidal rants under various usernames who will claim HCG cures PFS, in everyone except him. When he replies, read through his past comments and decide if this is a man who seems rational and knowledgeable to take health advice from.

    There are men in their 70s and 80s with testosterone >800, which is how it should be in men in general. You donít automatically lose testosterone with age ó even though on average, men do because they get fatter, lazier, sicker, more diabetic, etc as they get older.

    My point is that your 200 testosterone is not from being 39, itís from PFS. If you address the PFS through the protocol, your testosterone will increase, but TRT + HCG would stop the protocol from working.

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    HCG is not illegal in the United States my doctor prescribes it so do other doctors. If I canít incorporate TRT with hcg then I will get off TRT and try somehow to bring up my levels . I have done the protocol felt so much better but my levels never go past 300

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGo View Post
    Nope.

    First of all, if you live in the United States (which I’m guessing you do since you have Queens in your username,) it’s impossible to get HCG legally, since no U.S. pharmacy has the new credentials needed to make it. Importing it is illegal.

    Secondly, taking testosterone will cause a feedback loop that causes you to stop making your own testosterone. If it was beneficial, it would be in the protocol. While HCG causes the body to make more testosterone despite taking testosterone, the body and PFS are more complicated than that. It’s not going to cure the disease, and it will prevent the protocol’s natural healing from occurring since you’re blasting your system with things that are altering its hormones. You will disrupt things enough to where healing won’t happen.

    Also, you cannot safely take HCG permanently. Bodybuilders would do a cycle of steroids and then a cycle of HCG and clomid to re-inflate their shriveled testicles. If you take HCG long term, eventually it will stop working, so you can’t just use them both for potentially 2 years as you do the protocol.

    If you’re dead-set on going the pharma route, there are guys on the Whatsapp group - search for someone called Joe and find the Whatsapp group. I don’t think they have a protocol, it’s more of an experimental thing.

    There is a deeply troubled man here who posts the same suicidal rants under various usernames who will claim HCG cures PFS, in everyone except him. When he replies, read through his past comments and decide if this is a man who seems rational and knowledgeable to take health advice from.

    There are men in their 70s and 80s with testosterone >800, which is how it should be in men in general. You don’t automatically lose testosterone with age — even though on average, men do because they get fatter, lazier, sicker, more diabetic, etc as they get older.

    My point is that your 200 testosterone is not from being 39, it’s from PFS. If you address the PFS through the protocol, your testosterone will increase, but TRT + HCG would stop the protocol from working.
    Kind of cruel but kind haha.

    Queens, do you have any androgenic signs?

    Nocturnals, any other erectiuons? For years I simply rotated vit d zinc and mag and was 90 pervcent there, great sleep no fog or ftaigue dcenet sometimes stroing libido, dick brain connection there., then I fucked it firstly in 2019 and the finally from last year taking seroquel for the first time in eight years like a tit. OI have no b=diubt it would have saved me.

    There's a Hungarian guy who had a bad carsh and has been cured by it.

    The problem is most Propecia Hell guys dont resond but tell everyone else that they wont either.

    i WOULD do it if I were you

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    aLSO, BASEMENT DWELLER who was on here did trt and recovered pretty much.

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    also, look at my first posts as road to recover and I was perectly reasonable - even told a guy to stop taking the drug that woul crash me.

    The user Joep on here has like 300k views for a thread where he takes trt among other stuff.

    CDnuts is not a scammer and his tip on rotating supps helped me a lot but its not his way or the highway, he isnt god almighty or a fucking neuroscience progfessor.

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    where are all the people on here anyway? seems like ten lurkers for every poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queens1984 View Post
    HCG is not illegal in the United States my doctor prescribes it so do other doctors. If I can’t incorporate TRT with hcg then I will get off TRT and try somehow to bring up my levels . I have done the protocol felt so much better but my levels never go past 300
    I did not say that HCG is illegal, I said that it’s illegal to manufacture. Compounding pharmacies can no longer make HCG in the United States, because it’s illegal to compound with a biologic product, and HCG was reclassified as a biologic in March 2020. Some doctors apparently purchased stockpiles of HCG before the ban, while other doctors have switched to prescribing other substances such as Kisspeptin-10.

    FDA’s announcement that HCG is reclassified as a biologic compound: https://www.fda.gov/media/119229/download

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    Is your testosterone still only 300 despite being on TRT?

    The protocol in general is meant to get your natural testosterone (and everything else that breaks due to PFS) back online. So from what I understand, your levels should come back up beyond 300 and into the normal range… over time. It usually takes over a year of strict compliance with the protocol to get back to normal, I’m not sure if that’s different with guys who are coming off of TRT. It might or might not take longer, I would ask CDsnuts if this would affect it and how.

    How long did you try doing the protocol before you got on TRT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihateit View Post
    where are all the people on here anyway? seems like ten lurkers for every poster.
    It’s a combination of two things:

    The main reason is that CDsnuts used to have more free time to spend on this forum, commenting on every thread with helpful info.

    The second reason is that the forum isn’t moderated very much anymore. When guys see you repeating your story again and again, and not trying CD’s protocol, it drives people away.

    I understand that CD is not a god but this forum is specifically about CD’s recovery method, which has worked for numerous men. It’s not a “recover from PFS” forum, it’s a “using CDs’ method to recover from PFS” forum. CD’s method does not involve HCG. Those who want to do other things like TRT or HCG can go to Joe’s Whatsapp group. Also you can post an unlimited amount there and they won’t mind if you’re repeating the same things or not doing the CD protocol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGo View Post
    Itís a combination of two things:

    The main reason is that CDsnuts used to have more free time to spend on this forum, commenting on every thread with helpful info.

    The second reason is that the forum isnít moderated very much anymore. When guys see you repeating your story again and again, and not trying CDís protocol, it drives people away.

    I understand that CD is not a god but this forum is specifically about CDís recovery method, which has worked for numerous men. Itís not a ďrecover from PFSĒ forum, itís a ďusing CDsí method to recover from PFSĒ forum. CDís method does not involve HCG. Those who want to do other things like TRT or HCG can go to Joeís Whatsapp group. Also you can post an unlimited amount there and they wonít mind if youíre repeating the same things or not doing the CD protocol.
    I think people should not nbe hung up on cdnuts methids.

    I did an 8 day water fast in 2014 and started dropping caffeine and alcohol and it made no difference. I even bought almond milk. And coffee energised me then unlike now.

    I should just have gone back to the urologist and got hcg. Balls were normal, libdio good and often high, brain penis connection all there.

    To be honest when I was at a good level simply piling on supplement after supplement made me worse. It's individualised.

    I think if you are already anroigenic its pointless. plus I didnt do gym work and got back to a good level.
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    Hey bud i have done CDís method in the past. Always worked but my Testorone levels never really went up to much maybe from last steroid use not sure. Yes with TRT my levels are around 1,000. Have been on TRT about 3 months had more energy Deff building more muscle. I went away did a ton of drugs in Saint Martin and got back to NY and completely crashed 2 days later. All most the same as my first crash years ago. I have reached out to CD on his website hopefully I can speak to him I believe in all his methods just want to see if I can recover from this crash with TRT or give up the TRT and just restart his protocolÖ.

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