Tyranny in America? Somewhat funny vid

[Coolazice]

Some points I do agree on:

1. Being there for your kids is of the utmost importance. Letting TV and video games 'raise' children because the parents are too busy is one of the biggest and most common mistakes being made today. Raising a child is the most important things most of us will do in our lifetime. Coincidentally, it is the most rewarding I've personally participated in as well.

2. Educating people on laws, penalties and other consequences of improper gun use would likely help. Getting graphic might add to help drive the points home.

3. Stiffening penalties might help and probably more-so with the gun-related and violent crimes.

4. Locking people up for weed is an incredible waste of time, money and our limited resources of police availability.

5. Longer waiting periods and more thorough background checks are necessary.

And I'm going to add another point that nobody is talking about:

6. Taking God out of everything is not helping anything.

[longBallLima]

Some points I do agree on:

1. Being there for your kids is of the utmost importance. Letting TV and video games 'raise' children because the parents are too busy is one of the biggest and most common mistakes being made today. Raising a child is the most important things most of us will do in our lifetime. Coincidentally, it is the most rewarding I've personally participated in as well.

2. Educating people on laws, penalties and other consequences of improper gun use would likely help. Getting graphic might add to help drive the points home.

3. Stiffening penalties might help and probably more-so with the gun-related and violent crimes.

4. Locking people up for weed is an incredible waste of time, money and our limited resources of police availability.

5. Longer waiting periods and more thorough background checks are necessary.

And I'm going to add another point that nobody is talking about:

6. Taking God out of everything is not helping anything.

I agree with most of this. Parents are more often than not, not involved enough. Stiffer penalties might deter some gun violence and some is better than none. It doesn't address the psycho shooters, but it addresses something. Mixed feelings on that, because it's a measure that will affect the urban area, poor and minorities, and not do much to resolve the rest of the issue. Weed should, soon enough, not land anybody in jail anymore, we'll see. Here in CO it doesn't. As much as I find the habitual pothead annoying, i can't give a shit about it as long as they don't smoke and drive. Waiting and background is necessary regardless of an eventual ban on certain types of firearms or ammo. It is ridiculous how easy and quick anyone can get a gun here.

Now, I dont see education on guns having that much impact. And as much as I know I differ from most of you on this and this is based solely on my personal belief, I believe if I never saw mention of god or jesus again, this would be a much more developed society. I find it somewhat unbelievable that this day and age, over 90% of the american population believes in god. I think it may be the only developed (1st world, if you will) country that goes over 90%

[DJM]

Some points I do agree on:

1. Being there for your kids is of the utmost importance. Letting TV and video games 'raise' children because the parents are too busy is one of the biggest and most common mistakes being made today. Raising a child is the most important things most of us will do in our lifetime. Coincidentally, it is the most rewarding I've personally participated in as well.

2. Educating people on laws, penalties and other consequences of improper gun use would likely help. Getting graphic might add to help drive the points home.

3. Stiffening penalties might help and probably more-so with the gun-related and violent crimes.

4. Locking people up for weed is an incredible waste of time, money and our limited resources of police availability.

5. Longer waiting periods and more thorough background checks are necessary.

And I'm going to add another point that nobody is talking about:

6. Taking God out of everything is not helping anything.

good points, the cliff notes
the last one tho, in this day and age the church does not have the influence it had hundreds of years ago when it practically ran things, its the changing times

also

Conservatives Have Their Worst Week Ever | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone

[h2s]

So, h2s... let me get this straight. It's ok for government to use the ultimate form of lethal force to "protect our country", but we shouldn't have the ability to use certain firearms to defend our family and property. Also, nukes make you feel safe, but guns are really scary? Interesting philosophy.

Why is that an interesting philosophy? I consider guns like an ar15 and ak47 to be military weapons. I do not see the use for civilians. As for if the military should have military weapons, why yes. The US is a country of excessive force, but given how many fans we have in the various shit hole deserts of the world, defense is a necessity. Completely different levels and incomparable...

I am ok with handgun ownership.

[h2s]

Some points I do agree on:

1. Being there for your kids is of the utmost importance. Letting TV and video games 'raise' children because the parents are too busy is one of the biggest and most common mistakes being made today. Raising a child is the most important things most of us will do in our lifetime. Coincidentally, it is the most rewarding I've personally participated in as well.

2. Educating people on laws, penalties and other consequences of improper gun use would likely help. Getting graphic might add to help drive the points home.

3. Stiffening penalties might help and probably more-so with the gun-related and violent crimes.

4. Locking people up for weed is an incredible waste of time, money and our limited resources of police availability.

5. Longer waiting periods and more thorough background checks are necessary.

And I'm going to add another point that nobody is talking about:

6. Taking God out of everything is not helping anything.

1. Agree.

2. Cigarette packs have pictures of lungs that are completely scarred black in some countries, doesn't stop smokers.

3. The penalties for recent tragedies would be death if the person lived, which punishment would be more severe?

4. Hey hey hey smoke weed err'day.

5. The right has been very against this, it encroached on liberties.

6. As an athiest, adding god to anything is the easiest way to fuck it up. Everyone has their own beliefs and most are radically defensive of it. Religion (in an organized sense, I have no problem with believers, in fact most of my family is very religious), causes many more issues in this world than it solves.

[Macdon1588]

H2S, don't blame faith in God for the actions of zealots. I respect your atheism, but true faith in God, and, in particular, the understanding of God within the Judea-Christian context served as the primary driver of human rights for most of the last 3000 years. The idea of equality of man is purely due faith. Anyway, please don't blame faith in God for the acts of religion.

[h2s]

H2S, don't blame faith in God for the actions of zealots. I respect your atheism, but true faith in God, and, in particular, the understanding of God within the Judea-Christian context served as the primary driver of human rights for most of the last 3000 years. The idea of equality of man is purely due faith. Anyway, please don't blame faith in God for the acts of religion.

As much as I truely do not understand faith (not in term, but in how people have it), I don't have anything against the concept of God, nor the faith itself. My attack is on "religion" in the context of it's organized form.

Unfortunately, I do believe religion and faith play a larger role in destructive habits beyond just the radicals, but that is not a discussion I want to go into in respect for everyone else's beliefs.

[Cobalt]

Oh man, we have politics, and now religion.
All that is left is to argue about money and then sex.
Considering DJ has the biggest porn stash, I'll leave the sex references to him.

[DJM]

Oh man, we have politics, and now religion.
All that is left is to argue about money and then sex.
Considering DJ has the biggest porn stash, I'll leave the sex references to him.

as long as these discussions are discussions, i think its awesome.......i lean towards bikeswim,h2s, ect views obviously, and my views differ of coolazice, macdon,burly
ect, which makes this threads great..............

money - sadly makes the world go round, and 95% of the worlds money is in the hands of 5% of the population, the term economics is so loosely thrown around these days, nations' 'economic' plans are to drain the world of all its resources as fast as possible to make profit, where is the economize in that????

sex - yes please

[Rodja]

H2S, don't blame faith in God for the actions of zealots. I respect your atheism, but true faith in God, and, in particular, the understanding of God within the Judea-Christian context served as the primary driver of human rights for most of the last 3000 years. The idea of equality of man is purely due faith. Anyway, please don't blame faith in God for the acts of religion.

As with anything, man has found a way to abuse religion and use it as justification for horrid actions. The words of holy texts have been changed throughout centuries of translations (speaking solely of Christianity here) and the selective nature of deciding which parts of the Hebrew texts they elect to include/follow are my main contentions.

I use this as an example when I talk about how the "word" has changed meanings via translations: grab two copies of the Iliad by two different translators and compare the wording. Although they both started from the same origin, the words/wording is very different and that's only from one translation. Take that through multiple translations from Hebrew to Latin to Old English to Modern English and you get something that resembles the game telephone than the actual message.