How Much 4-DHEA?

[Grape Ape]

Let's say you have some Andromass v.2:
300mg 1-DHEA
300mg 4-DHEA

Would it be advantageous to add more 4-DHEA to offset the 1-DHEA issues? Or is there a point of diminished returns? At what rate does it conver to testosterone(I know there's other hormone conversion)?Adding in Alphabulk would be an extra 120mg 4-DHEA.

Would I just be better off with some Epiandro and Dermacrine?

[Right Hook]

I find that the body begins to aromatise 4-dhea to a greater degree as test levels increase. Meaning its rate limited.

Test conversion to estrogen
Adione conversion to estrogen

So rather than adding more its better (IMO) to attack the other side of steroidogenesis and use a stano product.

[Grape Ape]

That was one of my initial thoughts. More isn't always better.

So forget the Dermacrine? I

How about stano and some pregnanolone spray?

[Right Hook]

That was one of my initial thoughts. More isn't always better.

So forget the Dermacrine? I

How about stano and some pregnanolone spray?

I wouldn't bother with dermacrine or pregnanolone unless you feel some other neurological benefit.

Stano and 4-AD are superior.

[markam]

This thread has some info that might be useful. Personally, I will use Pregnenolone on cycle as it makes me feel good and it also doesn't cost much.

Pregnenolone in PCT

[Grape Ape]

I've read some of that thread, but will go back through it. Just trying to find what will make this cycle most beneficial and of course pleasant.

[markam]

I wouldn't bother with Dermacrine if I was running AM. It's quite popular to add more AH (Stanodrol), but that can be hard on the joints for some people, But Swanson's Pregnenolone 50mg ed, is cheap and effective.

I'm guessing that you don't want to use anything methylated or something like Trenazone?

[Grape Ape]

No methyls for me. I've had my run. As for the "Trenazone", I'd love to run it but have some previous gyno from non other than one of the banned x-tren products. Don't think it would help in the libido department either, and the 1-DHEA will already be a problem there.

Trenazone even known to help lethargy?

EDIT: I'm trying to make this a very easy run as far as sides, and recovery. Easiest recovery possible, is important to me most.

[markam]

My last cycle was 8 Androlean, 6 Androhard & 4 Androdrive or 5 pumps Dermacrine. The Androdrive worked better as this was a cutting cycle and Dermacrine stimulates appetite. I cut calories 5 days a week and I lost about 8-10 lbs. I went a little above maintenance in PCT (ok, sometimes a lot), but I have gained muscle and very little fat. It's been a very successful recomp, and you could run a similar cycle with Stano, 11-oxo, Dermacrine or Pregnenolone.

[Right Hook]

My last cycle was 8 Androlean, 6 Androhard & 4 Androdrive or 5 pumps Dermacrine. The Androdrive worked better as this was a cutting cycle and Dermacrine stimulates appetite. I cut calories 5 days a week and I lost about 8-10 lbs. I went a little above maintenance in PCT (ok, sometimes a lot), but I have gained muscle and very little fat. It's been a very successful recomp, and you could run a similar cycle with Stano, 11-oxo, Dermacrine or Pregnenolone.

How does dermacrine stimulate appetite?