I love ISO-Mass gainer!

[Rodja]

After you've basically slandered the name of anybody and everybody who's written a positive review on this I'm not sure you should be complaining about ad hominem attacks.

I'm not complaining. I was merely pointing out the irony. I take pride in being an asshole.

Rodja and FPR, what do you think of this profile?

Reflex Instant Mass.

Per 136g / Per 100g
Energy: 2154kJ/ 509kcals / 1584Kj / 374 kcals
Protein: 54g / 40g
Carbohydrate: 63g / 46g
(of which sugars): 7.5g / 5.5g
Fat: 4.5g / 3.3g
(of which saturates): 0.6g / 0.5g
Fibre: 3.4g / 2.5g
Sodium: 178mg / 131mg

Vitamin B6: 5.3mg /3.9mg
Vitamin C: 100mg / 74mg
Calcium: 212mg / 156mg
Magnesium: 113mg / 83mg
Copper: 750ug / 550ug
Zinc: 4.5mg / 3.3mg
Digezyme®: 50mg / 37mg
Lactospore®: 50 million spores / 37 million spores

Protein blend (ultra filtered whey protein concentrate, milk protein concentrate (80% Micellar Casein, 20% Whey), Muscle Drive (derived from wheat protein), Hydrolised Whey Protein (degree of hydrolysis 30%), Egg White Protein Isolate), Organic Carbohydrate Blend (Organic Oat Flour, Organic Barley Flour), Corn Dextrin, Flavouring Substances, Natural Colourings (Cocoa (chocolate flavour only), Betanin (strawberry flavour only), beta carotene (banana and vanilla flavours only), Carboxy Methyl Cellulose, Magnesium Citrate, Artificial sweeteners (sucralose, acelsulfame k), Emuslifer (soya lecithin), Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), Digezyme Digestive Enzyme Complex (Amylase, Cellulase, Lactase, Lipase & Neutral protease), Zinc l-monomethionine, Lactospore pro-biotics (Bacillius Coagulans), Copper Aspartate, Pyrodoxine (Vitamin B6), L-Selenomethionine, Chromium Piccolate.

Allergens: Contains milk, barley, gluten, wheat, egg, soya (from soya lecithin)
Suitable for Vegetarians.

Really low in fiber for the amount of carbs in each serving and having something derived from gluten as a protein source is not something I'd ingest.

[USN HM 350Z]

how about this gainer?

Amount Per Serving With Water
Calories 510
Calories From Fat 99
% Daily Value
Total Fat 11g 17%†
Saturated Fat 2.5g 13%†
Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 2mg <1%†
Sodium 480mg 20%†
Potassium 1020mg 29%†
Total Carbohydrate 58g 19%†
Dietary Fiber 12g 48%†
Sugars 1g ††
Protein 46g 92%*

Vitamin A 60%
Calcium 123%
Vitamin D 60%
Thiamin 60%
Niacin 60%
Folic Acid 60%
Biotin 60%
Phosphorus 112%
Vitamin C 60%
Iron 55%
Vitamin E 60%
Riboflavin 60%
Vitamin B6 60%
Vitamin B12 60%
Pantothenic Acid 60%

Carbohydrate Blend (Barley, Oats, Oat Fiber), PROBOLIC® Amino Acid Enhanced Sustained Release Protein Matrix [Supro® Soy Protein Isolate (With Calcium Phosphate, And Lecithin), Calcium Caseinate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Leucine, Isoleucine, Valine], Safflower Oil Creamer [Safflower Oil, Corn Syrup Solids, Di-Potassium Phosphate, Mono-Glycerides, Di-Glycerides, Sodium Caseinate (A Milk Derivative), Lecithin, Natural Flavor, Less Than 2% Silicon Dioxide (Anti-Caking Agent), And Tocopherols (To Help Protect Flavor)], Cocoa, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Lipid Complex: Medium Chain Triglycerides, Essential Fatty Acid Blend [Borage Seed Oil Powder (10% GLA), Conjugated Linoleic Acid Complex (78% CLA), Evening Primrose Seed Oil (4.8% GLA), Flaxseed Powder (8% ALA), And Omega-3 Complex (7.5% EPA & DHA)], Gum Blend (Xanthan Gum, Cellulose Gum, Carrageenan), Silica, Acesulfame Potassium, Vitamin Pre-Mix (Ascorbic Acid, DL-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate, Cholecalciferol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Thiamin Mononitrate, Cyanocobalamin, Folic Acid, And Biotin), Sucralose, Banaba Leaf Extract (Lagerstroemia Speciosa)

[Cobalt]

How about this gainer:

MILK.

[markam]

I'm not complaining. I was merely pointing out the irony. I take pride in being an asshole.



Really low in fiber for the amount of carbs in each serving and having something derived from gluten as a protein source is not something I'd ingest.

You could easily add some fiber, and regarding the wheat protein, it's not possible to tell how much there is from the labelling. It's a product that I bought quite some time ago, and still have some left as I rarely use it, but it has been easy on the stomach and I tend to suffer from an upset stomach all to easily. These days I mostly rely on real food and use Bcaas and Eaas as supplements, and peptopro, but I haven't yet made my mind up re peptopro yet. Doubt I'll buy whey again.

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How about this gainer:

MILK.

Too much toilet time

[Rodja]

how about this gainer?

Amount Per Serving With Water
Calories 510
Calories From Fat 99
% Daily Value
Total Fat 11g 17%†
Saturated Fat 2.5g 13%†
Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 2mg <1%†
Sodium 480mg 20%†
Potassium 1020mg 29%†
Total Carbohydrate 58g 19%†
Dietary Fiber 12g 48%†
Sugars 1g ††
Protein 46g 92%*

Vitamin A 60%
Calcium 123%
Vitamin D 60%
Thiamin 60%
Niacin 60%
Folic Acid 60%
Biotin 60%
Phosphorus 112%
Vitamin C 60%
Iron 55%
Vitamin E 60%
Riboflavin 60%
Vitamin B6 60%
Vitamin B12 60%
Pantothenic Acid 60%

Carbohydrate Blend (Barley, Oats, Oat Fiber), PROBOLIC® Amino Acid Enhanced Sustained Release Protein Matrix [Supro® Soy Protein Isolate (With Calcium Phosphate, And Lecithin), Calcium Caseinate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Leucine, Isoleucine, Valine], Safflower Oil Creamer [Safflower Oil, Corn Syrup Solids, Di-Potassium Phosphate, Mono-Glycerides, Di-Glycerides, Sodium Caseinate (A Milk Derivative), Lecithin, Natural Flavor, Less Than 2% Silicon Dioxide (Anti-Caking Agent), And Tocopherols (To Help Protect Flavor)], Cocoa, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Lipid Complex: Medium Chain Triglycerides, Essential Fatty Acid Blend [Borage Seed Oil Powder (10% GLA), Conjugated Linoleic Acid Complex (78% CLA), Evening Primrose Seed Oil (4.8% GLA), Flaxseed Powder (8% ALA), And Omega-3 Complex (7.5% EPA & DHA)], Gum Blend (Xanthan Gum, Cellulose Gum, Carrageenan), Silica, Acesulfame Potassium, Vitamin Pre-Mix (Ascorbic Acid, DL-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate, Cholecalciferol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Thiamin Mononitrate, Cyanocobalamin, Folic Acid, And Biotin), Sucralose, Banaba Leaf Extract (Lagerstroemia Speciosa)

Two things: too much fiber and soy as the first protein.

[Freepressright]

Here's what I think...

I regard powdered gainers kind of like I regard prohormones. They're a tool that you use some of the time with a specific goal in mind. Obviously, sound nutrition and a good diet should be permanent cornerstones in your lifestyle, but if you want to throw on some extra mass, finding a good gainer to aid in that has a purpose.

There is no perfect product out there. You can find a fault in damn near any product if you look hard enough. A lot of mass gainers are loaded with sugar and I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot pole.

I once bought a container of GNC Pro Performance 2,2000 gainer that was on clearance for like $10. I about shit when I got home and read the label to see how much sugar was in it. It also tasted horrendous and was so disgustingly thick I couldn't even finish a serving of it.

Most gainers are ridiculously expensive, too. But you find one that fits your budget and that produces results for you, that's great. I don't think the label looks all that bad on the product you posted, Markam, but the total calories don't seem like a whole lot for a gainer. Of course there are ways of enhancing that.

For me, ISO-Mass is wonderful. It aids in producing gains, it tastes good, I get a lot of servings per container and it eliminates the need for me to buy a lot of other supplements.

Rodja speculated about the quality of protein being poor, but I can tell you this much, cheap protein powders make me shit my guts out. Anyone who has ever read a log of mine knows how sensitive my lower GI is to poor quality stuff. I can tell you that even with two ISO-Mass shakes a day, I have absolutely no GI upset whatsoever.

I believe it to be a good, solid product and don't mind spending the money on it when I feel like throwing on some extra weight.

[weekend]

I don't get why you'd say you won't touch a gainer with a ton of sugar with a 10 foot pole... Because your gainer is maltodextrin (though not technically sugar, it is higher glycemic according to what I've read...) followed by dextrose. So your gainer is basically sugar or worse! Not that I'm against that.

[Freepressright]

My gainer also has oat fiber, an overall dietary fiber content of 6g and a blend of fats to offset the glycemic spike. The overall sugar content is 5g. It ain't perfect, but it beats the hell out of gainers like GNC's Pro Performance 2,200 with 94g of sugar, or Champion Nutrition's version with 60+ grams and a negligible amount of fiber.

[Scope75]

I don't get why you'd say you won't touch a gainer with a ton of sugar with a 10 foot pole... Because your gainer is maltodextrin (though not technically sugar, it is higher glycemic according to what I've read...) followed by dextrose. So your gainer is basically sugar or worse! Not that I'm against that.

Agree and your correct about malto.

[Freepressright]

It also has a carbohydrate to protein ratio of 16:13