I call BS on LG Sciences new PHs

[h2s]

I think the stano PP sold was an enanthate version right? That's a big difference than consuming an encapsulated stano product. Also wasn't the transdermal andro hard the most popular of all versions? And I bet it had no naringenin in it.

Stano is a different beast for a few other reasons as well. But I would still avoid gfj with it based on current literature.

Definitely an oversight in my response, but yes esterfied as well. Never was a transdermal though.

[saludable24]

Ask yourself how does naringenin prevent suppression? Because it ultimately reduces the effectiveness of the prohormone. It's illogical to think you can increase bioavailability while decreasing suppression. This is what they are trying to do with SARMs. Unsuccessfully I might add when you look at the dose response curves.

Also naringenin essentially builds up in the body. Drink it every day and you'll likely suppress a large portion 17b-hsd. Giving you nothing more to work with than the anabolic activity of a Dione and nothing more. 50% of 17b-hsd suppression was achieved at only 2.4 uM. That's likely only 4-6 ounces of gfj per day.

The study (Chalcones are potent inhibitors of aromatase and 17... [Life Sci. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI) was done in a placenta. I can't access the full text, but I imagine that it was certainly not done in a live body. I have doubts about naringenin's effects being THAT pronounced in vivo in males considering my few uses of the Andro Series as well as others' experiences as well. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I think we all know that things that pop up in studies don't always pan out the same way in real world experiences for us. Thus I take that study with a grain of salt and add another grain or two for the fact that the company you rep for sells a competative product. Again, not saying you are wrong, just that I am not so easily convinced.

What would be useful would be some experiments showing bloodwork/urine analysis for the dione/diol metabolites of various products with and without naringenin.

[Right Hook]

The study (Chalcones are potent inhibitors of aromatase and 17... [Life Sci. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI) was done in a placenta. I can't access the full text, but I imagine that it was certainly not done in a live body. I have doubts about naringenin's effects being THAT pronounced in vivo in males considering my few uses of the Andro Series as well as others' experiences as well. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I think we all know that things that pop up in studies don't always pan out the same way in real world experiences for us. Thus I take that study with a grain of salt and add another grain or two for the fact that the company you rep for sells a competative product. Again, not saying you are wrong, just that I am not so easily convinced.

What would be useful would be some experiments showing bloodwork/urine analysis for the dione/diol metabolites of various products with and without naringenin.

Read more on 17b-hsd. You cannot easily study it in vivo. There is more research showing naringenin and other flavonoids and other things like milk thistle being 17b-hsd inhibitors. I wrote about pretty extensively in the Legal SARM by AMS article.

I wasn't aware that anyone was selling a naringenin prohormone product other than andro factory who clearly is not a respectable company anyways.

Pp asked me not to post this information a couple years back. I obliged because I liked them guys. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't post it now. It's extremely frustrating to sell a product and have people potentially piss away the results by trying to improve the product with gfj.

[saludable24]

Read more on 17b-hsd. You cannot easily study it in vivo. There is more research showing naringenin and other flavonoids and other things like milk thistle being 17b-hsd inhibitors. I wrote about pretty extensively in the Legal SARM by AMS article.

I wasn't aware that anyone was selling a naringenin prohormone product other than andro factory who clearly is not a respectable company anyways.

Pp asked me not to post this information a couple years back. I obliged because I liked them guys. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't post it now. It's extremely frustrating to sell a product and have people potentially piss away the results by trying to improve the product with gfj.

I've seen naringenin/quercetin in some other products I assume that since it seems to becoming more common that there might be other prohormones adding them to their product. I have seen them in some test boosting products a while back specifically.

I will go look for your article. I also posted in a similar thread on AM wondering if the longer half-life of hormones negates the enzyme inhibition as far as end results are concerned. All of this is certainly interesting science.

[Freepressright]

This is back when LG Sciences turned out products that actually did something
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[Bodock]

What do yall think about there new Form-XT liquid AI?

[Freepressright]

If you have a problem with excessive estrogen or want to thwart estrogen rebound, the ingredients definitely lend themselves to the cause. Not so sure about the dose of each ingredient, as it's proprietary.

I am super sensitive to estrogen suppression. If the actives are bioavailable, I could not take this product without dry joints, loss of libido and mood swings.

[nate3993]

Something else I think about these lg sciences liquid products. The tin or metal cans they're coming in to look fancy? Not needed. Put tht fukin money into research and product. Fuk a fancy can. They do have some of the worst claims. 1mg liquid resveratrol was equal to 250mg! Ha! I fukin wish.