Need advice, didn't fully recover from PCT! please help

[Jelisej]

typically People who use HCG post cycle will dose 2500IU eod for 16 days 8 injections in total i know this sounds like a boat load but it is proven and used by Dr Michael Scally in his PoWeR PCT program.

You are 15,000IU short.

Small doses are not enough to restart the system once it has become desensitized to LH this is why the big doses are needed, yes it works out you use a lot less HCG when used on cycle but if you dont use it you have to mega dose it like this during PCT.

Since it has been several weeks now you cannot run 2500IU as "some" of they leydig cells sensitivity will be returning however you can do small restart doses as used by Dr Shipping where you run 500IU mon-fri for 3 weeks after that point complete another blood test roughly 2 weeks post the restart. Be sure to test all parameters LH/FSH etc etc.

We have seen many people in the past assume they can get away with doses like you have run and each time we see the same results, it needs to be run correctly and you simply have not done that.

Desensitation to LH should not happen, simply as that. Also HCG should not be used in more than 500 IU a time or more than 2000 IU per week.
Hipotalamus-pituary will not send signals to testes to start making testosterone untill HCG clears of the system.
BTW HCG half life is around 30 hrs.

[Freepressright]

He should run 13 weeks of 25mg of clomid every day or alternatively 50 mg every other day (some people react better on 50 mg every second day for some reason), then he should slowly start tappering down for another 4-8 weeks, (reducing on 75% for week or two, than 50% for couple of weeks, than 25% for week or two), in conjuction he should use AI (preferably irreversible/suicidal) like aromasin 12.5 mg 3X a week- he should run AI until 2-3 weeks after cesation of SERM.
Other thing he should eat mixed nuts every day (they will increase testicular sensitivity to LH- its actually same thing as tocco-8.
Vitamin d 1000 IU every day.
I'm not fan of DAA but in this situation its very helpful.
He should not exercise too much. Must get enough sleep.

Now, important thing is not just recovery of HPTA- but what target here is too create better "set point"- we are hoping that his "body" will accept normal/higher levels of TT rather than return to 300-400 ng/dl which is far below.

I agree with everything you said except the 1,000 IU of D3 per day. I'd recommend 5,000 if he isn't exposed to a great deal of sunlight on a regular basis, otherwise 2,000. It's also good to take D3 alongside Vitamin K2 to increase absorption.

Just my $.02

[h2s]

I prefer moderate regular intervals of hcg throughout cycle as opposed to Scallys blasting. I am in no way discrediting his knowledge, he knows more than I could dream about on the topic, I just have consistently proven which method works for me.

[burlyman30]

I prefer moderate regular intervals of hcg throughout cycle as opposed to Scallys blasting. I am in no way discrediting his knowledge, he knows more than I could dream about on the topic, I just have consistently proven which method works for me.

I am very much in agreement with this. The HCG blast that I did years ago still haunts me today with over sensitive nipples. Obviously I did not have sufficient conjunctive therapy, though. Maybe things would have been different if I did, but the whole blast method just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to this day.

[Jelisej]

More frequent HCG shots, less aromatisation. And its bit more natural. I would personaly recomend 125 IU every day, or alternatively 250 IU every other day on cycle. Maybe bit more if required.
Out of cycle- on so called HCG monotherapy even less than 125 can be ok. Its really up to person to find own best dose.

[longBallLima]

More frequent HCG shots, less aromatisation. And its bit more natural. I would personaly recomend 125 IU every day, or alternatively 250 IU every other day on cycle. Maybe bit more if required.
Out of cycle- on so called HCG monotherapy even less than 125 can be ok. Its really up to person to find own best dose.

Jelisej, dont take my question as challenge,but more as respect to your vast knowledge. what's your educational/professional background?

[nate3993]

Jelisej, dont take my question as challenge,but more as respect to your vast knowledge. what's your educational/professional background?

he's just a straight up hormonal baller

[Jelisej]

Jelisej, dont take my question as challenge,but more as respect to your vast knowledge. what's your educational/professional background?

I have no educational/professional background in medical field. Nate's description is a good one.

[O.N.]

Desensitation to LH should not happen, simply as that. Also HCG should not be used in more than 500 IU a time or more than 2000 IU per week.
Hipotalamus-pituary will not send signals to testes to start making testosterone untill HCG clears of the system.
BTW HCG half life is around 30 hrs.

Yes i understand this but if HCG has not been used on the cycle the they leydig cells need to be restored as said its like trying to start an old car you have to turn it over a few times before it will run on its own, once the HCG is not having any effect on testosterone production and testosterone level dip the brain will sense this drop in testosterone and LH/FSH will be released so there is basically little to no crash testosterone levels will go from synthetic testosterone to forced production from HCG to then dip slightly and then normal LH/FSH will take over as soon as those levels are not high enough anymore.

More frequent HCG shots, less aromatisation. And its bit more natural. I would personaly recomend 125 IU every day, or alternatively 250 IU every other day on cycle. Maybe bit more if required.
Out of cycle- on so called HCG monotherapy even less than 125 can be ok. Its really up to person to find own best dose.

Actually once the compounded effect of over lapping doses 250IU 2 per week is actually equal to 94% of a normal males weekly LH production.

So a lower dose will not be enough and any higher dose "might" end up being too much and causing over stimulation of the leydig cells.

[Jelisej]

Yes i understand this but if HCG has not been used on the cycle the they leydig cells need to be restored as said its like trying to start an old car you have to turn it over a few times before it will run on its own, once the HCG is not having any effect on testosterone production and testosterone level dip the brain will sense this drop in testosterone and LH/FSH will be released so there is basically little to no crash testosterone levels will go from synthetic testosterone to forced production from HCG to then dip slightly and then normal LH/FSH will take over as soon as those levels are not high enough anymore.
Actually once the compounded effect of over lapping doses 250IU 2 per week is actually equal to 94% of a normal males weekly LH production.
So a lower dose will not be enough and any higher dose "might" end up being too much and causing over stimulation of the leydig cells.

I dont say that you're completely wrong, just that its much better to use HCG on cycle from day 1 and try to prevent testicular atrophy- sometimes its not possible and in that cases your practices are valid- though I would not recommend more than 500 IU per shot and more than 2000 IU per week.