Need advice, didn't fully recover from PCT! please help

[AestheticOne]

Hey guys i'm asking this question for my older brother who's 23 and finished his 2nd cycle 2 months ago.

His first cycle was 500mg test for 10 weeks with no orals.
standard nolva/clomid pct no hcg used and test levels were tested couple months after and were in the mid 600's

then he decided to run this cycle
600mg test e 1-10
400mg mast e 1-10
superdrol weeks 8-12 30mg ed
anavar weeks 13-16 40mg ed (the reason he extended the cycle was for a photoshoot never planned on adding the anavar but it worked to keep him from losing any size / definition)

PCT
10 days hcg blast
nolva 20mg 4 weeks
clomid 50mg 4 weeks

Anyways after running the PCT above, his total test came back at 368, free test at 68.8 range 35-155 pg/ml

Also his triglycerides were high and BUN / Creatinine were slightly elevated which is all probably from the orals.

Would you guys recommend he tries to run a 2nd pct? He ordered the Intimidate/tropinol stack, and was wondering if he should run that with clomid or torem to see if he could recover back to normal levels, or is he destined for HRT? Hope you guys can give some solid advice on the matter, thanks.

[Jelisej]

How long were blood test done after PCT? Its possible that his testicles were completely atrophied as it seems that he did not run HCG during cycle, so pct was not enough to recover him completely as "fully operating" testicles can produce only around 80 ng/dl per week, plus something gets spent.

He could try "restart protocol" which is basicaly siimilar to PCT. So he could try running clomid (or nolva) + little of AI for like 3 months and then slowly tapper down.

[Freepressright]

Hey guys i'm asking this question for my older brother who's 23 and finished his 2nd cycle 2 months ago.

His first cycle was 500mg test for 10 weeks with no orals.
standard nolva/clomid pct no hcg used and test levels were tested couple months after and were in the mid 600's

then he decided to run this cycle
600mg test e 1-10
400mg mast e 1-10
superdrol weeks 8-12 30mg ed
anavar weeks 13-16 40mg ed (the reason he extended the cycle was for a photoshoot never planned on adding the anavar but it worked to keep him from losing any size / definition)

PCT
10 days hcg blast
nolva 20mg 4 weeks
clomid 50mg 4 weeks

Anyways after running the PCT above, his total test came back at 368, free test at 68.8 range 35-155 pg/ml

Also his triglycerides were high and BUN / Creatinine were slightly elevated which is all probably from the orals.

Would you guys recommend he tries to run a 2nd pct? He ordered the Intimidate/tropinol stack, and was wondering if he should run that with clomid or torem to see if he could recover back to normal levels, or is he destined for HRT? Hope you guys can give some solid advice on the matter, thanks.

A few things stand out to me:

His second cycle was full of harsh compounds and for an extended duration.

He did not run HCG from the cycle start. HCG should be run from week 1 and going forward. HCG after a cycle like that won't do jack shit.

The Intimidate/Tropinol stack won't hurt anything at this point. I'm actually astonished to see his test in the 300s. He ought to be thankful it isn't in the zeros.

It is going to take time for him to rebound. Some natty products and waiting are about all he can do for now.

[Cobalt]

Running another PCT won't hurt anything. I've had to do it before, everything turned out well.

[AestheticOne]

FreePress you're right on the HCG protocall however he didn't plan to run a cycle for that long he just had things come up that he needed to stay on for but HCG shouldve been implemented in the beginning like you said, anyways what do you guys think a good restart plan would be?

would 50mg of clomid ED for 4-6 weeks be best?
or what would give him the best shot at restarting his hpta?

Jelisej the blood test was taken aprox 4 weeks post PCT.

[Freepressright]

Jelisej is a smart dude. Follow his recommendations

[longBallLima]

to state the overstated, 23 and 2 cycles under his belt... a tad young

[AestheticOne]

Jelisej can you be more specific as to exact dosages / length of time you recommend? Thanks

[Cobalt]

Just wanted to throw this into the discussion:
http://www.swolesource.com/forum/men...-t-levels.html

[Rodja]

Without having bloods prior to his cycle, these numbers don't mean a tremendous amount. This may approximately what "normal" is for him.