Possible Legal HCG Alternative

[O.N.]

Research has suggested that 7,8 benzoflavone is capable of reversing the negative feedback loop at the hypothalamus via modulation of the GABA/opioid receptor complex.

In other words, 7,8 benzoflavone could potentially be used to stimulate LH (leutenizing hormone) and FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) during a steroid cycle and prevent shutdown of the HPTA (hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis). For those that aren’t familiar with 7,8 benzoflavone, it is a natural occurring flavonoid from passionflower, and is one of the ingredients in Res100.

So how do we intend to prove this?

Glad you asked. You see, if LH and FSH rise after using Res100 during a cycle, then we know that it is preventing suppression of the HPTA and stimulating the testes in a way similar to HCG. If this proves to be true, this could replace the need for on cycle HCG and prevent testicular shrinkage. (assuming its used early enough in the cycle to avoid leydig cell desensitization)

So, here is the plan…

1. Get on cycle.
2. Wait 3 days then run 4 caps per day Res100 for 2-3 days
3. Morning of the 3rd day of the Res100 complete a Blood test for LH/FSH levels.

After the Res100 is used for 48-72hrs, we are hoping the tests will reveal “normal” levels of LH and FSH. (thus proving that Res100 can stimulate natural testosterone production, even during a cycle)

Now, I figured that you guys would want to see some blood test results from actual members…

We had a blood test come in recently from a customer which shows within normal LH and FSH and well above normal testosterone which shows he is on cycle at the time of the blood test and that the Res100 is able to keep his LH/FSH within range. He says he is using 500mg test e, with 4 caps res100 and 2 tococaps per day and that this blood test was 4 weeks into his 10 week cycle without any HCG used.

We do not know if we could expect the same results within everybody and we do not know if this guys is just a freak or not, but this is also not the first time we have heard customers using Res100 during a cycle and "feeling" like they are still functioning down stairs with no lack in testicle size and some people reporting further increases in libido etc.

I have always said it can only be used on cycle for health benefits and didn't think it would be possible to compete for the receptor when such high levels of androgens are present. I would love for more people to give this a try and see if it works or not.....I wouldn't stop using HCG just yet but this "could" be an alternative for people who cannot obtain HCG.





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One of our customer responses to the above post:

Testers Needed Prevent Testicular Shrinkage with a New Legal HCG Alternative
I've used Res100 for all the cycles I've done in the past couple of years (been about 3-4). I have NEVER had any issues with nut shrinkage or had any inability in the downstairs region - if anything I was twice as active. When I was doing this combo I felt like I wanted to rip into every female I saw, which is hard seeing as I'm engaged lol. As said above you can Definitely feel the difference running Res100 makes.

I was on around 750mg P/W of Test-e sometimes stacked with a low dose of Deca, or by itself for the cycles. Was always running 6ml ED of Res100 (4 Caps ED With the new Res) 2x Tococaps ED and I was running ZMA's at night, I cycle DAA on and off also.

I was mainly using it for the health benefits for example Liver cleansing etc, but with further proof as above I'm glad I've been running the stack whilst I was on, And I highly recommend it to anyone wanting/keeping better results.

[markam]

Interesting. There's an article where Charles Poliquin states "It is my experience that dosages greater than 2400 mg per week can lower cortisol too much and thereby increase inflammation in the body". Are You Too Nervous To Grow? | Poliquin Article

This is also what I experience when I dose at 600mg a day (4200mg per week). It only takes a few days at a high dosage for my finger joints to become painful. Thing is, Res100 is dosed twice a day = 600mg, which would render it unusable for me and I would suspect many others.

[O.N.]

@markam we have had many people use it for many months at a time and not complain about sore fingers. Some of the studies conducted on PS were 600-800mg for periods longer than 1 week and no noted side effects see here for some of them: JISSN | Full text | The effects of phosphatidylserine on endocrine response to moderate intensity exercise

someone who says: "It is my experience that dosages greater than 2400 mg per week can lower cortisol too much and thereby increase inflammation in the body.".....

Well that to me is just another personal opinion, he may be credible but there is zero proof when it comes to personal opinions this is why we ask as many of our customer to complete before and after blood tests.

We are now above 80 reviews and blood tests i can confidently say we are the most independently reviewed and blood tested testosterone booster on the market. see them all here Res100 Reviews and Blood Tests

The problems you get in the fingers will not and does not happen to everyone.
You can also take res100 once a day and still get fairly decent results some of the leaner guys with less estrogen take it once per day and have shown great signs of improvement.

[markam]

Ok, fair enough, but my personal experience backs this info up for me.

[O.N.]

Ok, fair enough, but my personal experience backs this info up for me.

Myself and many others have taken double the dose on and off cycle and have not had any problems so that would be 8400mg per week.

At this dose i do recall at the 3 week mark getting sore finger joints, so yes totally possible but dose dependent and person to person.

Anyway the thread was not about PS it was about the ability for LH and FSH to maintain whilst taking steroids.

[Freepressright]

I cannot run Sustain Alpha gel at more than one pump per day. My joints get dry and achy, I become a raging dickhead and my sex drive pukes completely. Res100 probably isn't for me either.

[burlyman30]

Research has suggested that 7,8 benzoflavone is capable of reversing the negative feedback loop at the hypothalamus via modulation of the GABA/opioid receptor complex.

In other words, 7,8 benzoflavone could potentially be used to stimulate LH (leutenizing hormone) and FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) during a steroid cycle and prevent shutdown of the HPTA (hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis). For those that aren’t familiar with 7,8 benzoflavone, it is a natural occurring flavonoid from passionflower, and is one of the ingredients in Res100.

So how do we intend to prove this?

Glad you asked. You see, if LH and FSH rise after using Res100 during a cycle, then we know that it is preventing suppression of the HPTA and stimulating the testes in a way similar to HCG. If this proves to be true, this could replace the need for on cycle HCG and prevent testicular shrinkage. (assuming its used early enough in the cycle to avoid leydig cell desensitization)

So, here is the plan…

1. Get on cycle.
2. Wait 3 days then run 4 caps per day Res100 for 2-3 days
3. Morning of the 3rd day of the Res100 complete a Blood test for LH/FSH levels.

After the Res100 is used for 48-72hrs, we are hoping the tests will reveal “normal” levels of LH and FSH. (thus proving that Res100 can stimulate natural testosterone production, even during a cycle)

Now, I figured that you guys would want to see some blood test results from actual members…

We had a blood test come in recently from a customer which shows within normal LH and FSH and well above normal testosterone which shows he is on cycle at the time of the blood test and that the Res100 is able to keep his LH/FSH within range. He says he is using 500mg test e, with 4 caps res100 and 2 tococaps per day and that this blood test was 4 weeks into his 10 week cycle without any HCG used.

We do not know if we could expect the same results within everybody and we do not know if this guys is just a freak or not, but this is also not the first time we have heard customers using Res100 during a cycle and "feeling" like they are still functioning down stairs with no lack in testicle size and some people reporting further increases in libido etc.

I have always said it can only be used on cycle for health benefits and didn't think it would be possible to compete for the receptor when such high levels of androgens are present. I would love for more people to give this a try and see if it works or not.....I wouldn't stop using HCG just yet but this "could" be an alternative for people who cannot obtain HCG.





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One of our customer responses to the above post:

Eric did similar research on Sustain Alpha a couple years back based on the same information. He, too, hoped for an hcg alternative via this pathway. After several months of testing, he abandoned his hopes in this.

If this same person in your post did LH tests every 4 weeks (weeks 4, 8, 12) it would be far more telling. After 4 weeks, the feedback loop has not yet shut down production of LH. And without a baseline test to show what LH levels were prior to the 4 weeks, we cannot tell if this person has already has some suppression within the normal range.

[O.N.]

Eric did similar research on Sustain Alpha a couple years back based on the same information. He, too, hoped for an hcg alternative via this pathway. After several months of testing, he abandoned his hopes in this.

If this same person in your post did LH tests every 4 weeks (weeks 4, 8, 12) it would be far more telling. After 4 weeks, the feedback loop has not yet shut down production of LH. And without a baseline test to show what LH levels were prior to the 4 weeks, we cannot tell if this person has already has some suppression within the normal range.

agreed it needs much more testing however LH does hit baseline within 3 days of taking steroids, personally i still tell people to use HCG but for those guys out there especially over here who cannot source HCG this "maybe" a possible alternative.

[Jelisej]

Looking at the ingredients I see your supplement as a great addition to PCT, and there are some other possibilities.
As a substitute for HCG- no way. Primordial performance had same idea for Sustain Alpha (similar ingredients), but they went quiet about it- which suggest that it did not work out. On some cycles even HCG cannot prevent testicular atrophy.
Sometimes it could be used to try to boost their tt levels, but on long term- I absolutely agree with Markam on PS and lowering cortisol.
Lowering cortisol is usually not good idea, in reality good adrenals and cortisol levels are needed to sustain higher testost. levels.
Lot of people dont understand difference between cortisol and cortisone and adrenaline.

As for bloodwork you supplied- it was bit too early for shutdown as synthetic testosterone was just starting to kick in.
Shutdown itself is different from person to person sometimes it can happen pretty fast, sometimes it can be a months. LH is not always proof of shutdown, there are some folks in which LH production does not completely stop.

[burlyman30]

agreed it needs much more testing however LH does hit baseline within 3 days of taking steroids, personally i still tell people to use HCG but for those guys out there especially over here who cannot source HCG this "maybe" a possible alternative.

3 days? Not sure where you got that info. I've had active, albiet low LH production 6 weeks into a cycle.

I think without research to prove it, it's a pipedream and irresponsible to promote it as a "possible alternative".