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    I would up the dose at some point when you find the returns are diminishing. If they don't diminish, no need to up the dose.

    But... I usually will end my cycles heavier than they started. So I would usually run 10/20/30/30 of something, as opposed to 20/20/20/20 or 30/30/30/30
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    My Androlean/Androhard/AndroEnhance log

    Night gives advice Is there a correct expression in english to say that ? this is a pure french word-to-word translation.

    So, after 4 weeks in the cycle I find there's no enough results to my mind. À few increase of strength in the middle of the 3rd week but that's all.

    I will up the dose for each products and short the cycle from 12 to 10 weeks. I hope that this increase will give and show all the potential of the Andro products.

    So, dosage will be :

    8 Androlean
    6 Androhard
    4 Androenhance

    I will stop Androdrive. I don't think it's very useful in my situation. I keep it for a future cutting cycle to 'boost' my brain

    I start on monday. I will notify it in my usual monday log.
    - I see you're on that famous beer and mustard diet. How's that workin' out for ya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack O'Neill View Post
    Night gives advice Is there a correct expression in english to say that ? this is a pure french word-to-word translation.

    So, after 4 weeks in the cycle I find there's no enough results to my mind. À few increase of strength in the middle of the 3rd week but that's all.

    I will up the dose for each products and short the cycle from 12 to 10 weeks. I hope that this increase will give and show all the potential of the Andro products.

    So, dosage will be :

    8 Androlean
    6 Androhard
    4 Androenhance

    I will stop Androdrive. I don't think it's very useful in my situation. I keep it for a future cutting cycle to 'boost' my brain

    I start on monday. I will notify it in my usual monday log.
    Good plan. BBG's advice is spot on, (as usual).

    Re PCT. AH is suppressing estrogen so a rebound is a possibility. You have sustain for that and you might want to consider tapering AH into PCT for the first week. I'd reduce a cap every three days and time it that you have just enough left to cover the first week of PCT. AL is suppressing cortisol, but you're covered with Endoamp.
    DAA can cause estro sides, protolactin? I run a very low dose 6-Bromo (30mg ed) when I use DAA and that works for me. SNS have recently brought out a product to counter protolactin sides called Inhibit-P which contains L-dopa, Vitex, P5P which might be worth looking into. (This will definitely help with any E2 issues).

    Whether you need clomid for this cycle is a matter of opinion. I wouldn't usually run anything over eight weeks without a Serm, but this is probably one of the least suppressive cycles I've run, and even for ten weeks, I wouldn't bother.

    I'm enjoying AH/AL/AE. Initially I was also using Dermacrine and that was jacking up my appetite which is not what you want on a cutting cycle. I'm finding some strength gains, but mainly I think this stack works really well if you are under maintenance calories.

    Re AD. I'd say it's not really necessary for this cycle as I'm not suffering from any lethargy.
    Last edited by markam; 11-17-2012 at 09:21 AM.

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    Re: My Androlean/Androhard/AndroEnhance log

    I thank you very much Markam for all these advices :thumbup:
    - I see you're on that famous beer and mustard diet. How's that workin' out for ya?
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    Day 29/84 - End of Week 4/12

    Notation below is 0 if there's no effect (like I'm not in cycle), 10 if there's a max of effect

    Negative Side effects :
    Acne : 0/10
    Headaches : 1/10
    Leathargy : 2/10 (especially the first week, a bit less on the second. 8/10 on the first week)
    Prostate swelling : 5/10
    Irritability : 4/10
    Hair loss : 0/10
    Cramps : 2/10 (I stopped creatine in the PWO shake and in the end of the day to help it)

    Positive Side effects :
    Strength : 1/10 (very few changes since last week)
    Fat loss : 0/10
    Muscle mass : 1/10 (feel a bit larger. just a feeling)
    Recup : 5/10 (feel great next morning after workout)

    My infos this morning :
    Weight : 87.3kg / 192.1lbs (+1.3kg/+ 1.8lbs from start)
    Waist : 85.5cm / 33'7
    BF (Average of several formulas) : 14.2% (-0.2% from start)
    No changes since last week

    Body evolution Graph :
    Look below in attached thumbnails

    Followed diet this week :
    Carb Back-loading :
    * Day without workout : Fast until 12PM, Keto diet (+/-)
    * Day with workout : Fast until 12PM, Keto diet until the end of workout, then Carb Backloading

    Macros
    Without workout
    Prots : 215g
    Carbs : 0g
    Fat : 215g
    Total kCal : ~2800kCal: 10% above my maintenance

    With workout
    Prots : 285g
    Carbs : 150g (200g after legs workout)
    Fat : 150g
    Total kCal : ~3100-3300kCal: Up to 30% above my maintenance

    Workouts of this week
    Look below in attached thumbnails

    Karate sessions this week, give 2 cardio sessions in the week.

    Changes for the next week :
    As discussed in this post, I will short my cycle and modify posology.

    So here what is planned :
    8 Androlean
    6 Androhard
    4 pumps Androenhance

    I started this morning for 6 weeks. I so shorted my cycle from 12 to 10 weeks but I upped dosage for Androproducts. I removed Androdrive 'cause I don't see any effects on my mind.

    and always, 2 spoons of Toco-8, creatine, leucine, Whey, Malto....

    Concerning macros, I will up proteins level from 215 to 260 (230g for fat) for OFF days, up to 300g (prots) and 190g (fat) for ON days.
    For carbs, I will keep the same amount for this week.

    This will give about 3150kCal on OFF days and 3580kCal on ON days

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    SUMMARY

    I modify my cycle 'cause I don't see any changes in my body today. This is maybe a brain effect but I feel that I am larger but not leaner (I didn't gain any fat I'm sure)

    I took pictures this morning but there's no change from the start, so I don't think it's useful to upload them. However I didn't compare day 1 to day 29 pictures.... I will see if I upload them

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    ANNEX - ATTACHED PICTURES

    WeightFollowUp 19.11.12.jpgWorkoutFollowUp 19.11.12.jpg
    Last edited by Jack O'Neill; 11-19-2012 at 01:26 AM.

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    You said;

    "Concerning macros, I will up proteins level from 215 to 260 (230g for fat) for OFF days, up to 300g (prots) and 190g (fat) for ON days.
    For carbs, I will keep the same amount for this week.

    This will give about 3150kCal on OFF days and 3580kCal on ON days"

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    I'm trying to run this at a calorie deficit, some days 2000Kcal some days more. I think you need to reduce your calories a lot, then you'll see an effective recomp. This is a cutting cycle, right? I'm 91kgs @ 14-15% BF and hoping to reduce weight and BF, so far I initially dropped some weight but now my weight seems stable but I'm losing BF and gaining muscle, but quite slowly. I have four weeks left out of a 8 week cycle. You really need to drop the calories much lower, imo.

    Edit. Just want to add that this cycle does feel very mild and I was tempted to add in some Mechabol, but decided against it. AL will deliver the results, and maybe you won't feel that 'on', but the low sides, minimal suppression are a a big win, imo.
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    Re: My Androlean/Androhard/AndroEnhance log

    No I don't want to cut.

    Keto diet is the good solution for me to cut.

    I just want to gain mass without fat or as less as possible
    - I see you're on that famous beer and mustard diet. How's that workin' out for ya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack O'Neill View Post
    No I don't want to cut.

    Keto diet is the good solution for me to cut.

    I just want to gain mass without fat or as less as possible
    I would've said that fat gain is really down to diet, and that AM would've been a more suitable product for gaining mass,
    anyway, good luck with the rest of your run.

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    Re: My Androlean/Androhard/AndroEnhance log

    Thanks Markam. I try it

    Eric said Androlean was the utimate lean mass gainer. Will see
    - I see you're on that famous beer and mustard diet. How's that workin' out for ya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack O'Neill View Post
    Thanks Markam. I try it

    Eric said Androlean was the utimate lean mass gainer. Will see
    He is relying on the 11 to be anabolic, which it is, and labeling "Ultimate Lean mass" gainer because it is designed to keep you lean, but diet depending you can put on some LBM at the same time.

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