Week 4 ph cycle. Finishing help?

[Scoonie1]

Im reading about the clomid and seeing that a lot of people are using nolvadex. Any thoughts on that?

[SoCal-Nutrition]

Citing the Sinners post on serms from "No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT"

The Different SERM’s:

Tamoxifen (Nolvadex):
Reputation: Most popular SERM for PCT
Pros: Cheap. Effective for gyno prevention.
Cons: Heptatoxicity. Studies have shown it to lower IGF levels (I don’t feel like citing, but it’s about 20% decrease…IMO no biggie).
Popular Dosage (for a 4-week cycle): 40/40/20/20
Note: Tamoxifen Citrate is less potent, and should be dosed at an extra 30%.

Clomiphene Citrate (clomid):
Reputation: Second most popular. Usually taken the first week or so to speed up Testosterone recovery with Tamoxifen being taken the whole therapy.
Pros: Better than Tamoxifen for HTPA regernation. Less heptatoxicity. Does not lower IGF.
Cons: Less effective against gyno. Can cause emotional issues. May Cause blurred vision. Hot Flashes.
Popular Dosage (for a 4-week cycle): 100-200mg/100mg/50mg/50mg

Toremifene:
Reputation: Very popular on this board
Pros: Much less toxic.
Con’s: $$$$$expensive$$$$$
Popular Dosages (for a 4-week cycle): 120-240mg/120mg/60mg/30mg

[szary]

Im reading about the clomid and seeing that a lot of people are using nolvadex. Any thoughts on that?

they are smarter since clomid is due to containing an additional chlorine atom
A more reactive - the doses need to be higher and could fluctuate in effectiveness
B more toxic - it can cause some carcinogenic issues
C does not cross the blood-brain barrier as easily (or at all) like tamoxifen
D biding affinity to estrogen receptors are almost the same (in trials ) so no need to run 2 SERMS(in UK many run clomid and nolva)
E effectiveness in treatment of male hypogonadism is the same ( it consists of broscience on hearsay )
If you have access to nolva take it it's better

[SoCal-Nutrition]

they are smarter since clomid is due to containing an additional chlorine atom
A more reactive - the doses need to be higher and could fluctuate in effectiveness
B more toxic - it can cause some carcinogenic issues
C does not cross the blood-brain barrier as easily (or at all) like tamoxifen
D biding affinity to estrogen receptors are almost the same (in trials ) so no need to run 2 SERMS(in UK many run clomid and nolva)
E effectiveness in treatment of male hypogonadism is the same ( it consists of broscience on hearsay )
If you have access to nolva take it it's better

a few things here have me wishing I had more time to do some reading tonight...

[szary]

i think toremifene is your best bet. no sides, while clomid did give me mild emotional sides and a slightly noticeable decrease in night vision acuity.

exemestane doesn't affect the lipid profile... might be a good addition since SOS500 has LMG (estrogenic) and SD (can cause rebound gyno)

but i don't have experience using exemestane in PCT except just recently but i ran out on like day 10...

this emotional issues are because clomid doesn't prevent estrogen (still high until AI will shut it down) to wreak havoc in the brain with all that "girly thinking"

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a few things here have me wishing I had more time to do some reading tonight...

not fully understand?

[weekend]

Im reading about the clomid and seeing that a lot of people are using nolvadex. Any thoughts on that?

i think toremifene is your best bet. no sides, while clomid did give me mild emotional sides and a slightly noticeable decrease in night vision acuity.

exemestane doesn't affect the lipid profile... might be a good addition since SOS500 has LMG (estrogenic) and SD (can cause rebound gyno)

but i don't have experience using exemestane in PCT except just recently but i ran out on like day 10...