Calorie deficit with tren

[BBG]

hahahahh jokes burlyman, i repsect you, and will consider your advises, REPS! people are actually amazed and stare at my intense workouts,so intense, i literally sweat much!!! i do whole body olympic inspired by the great
anatoli zurechekmov, so beautiful physique, id would oral him...i will train extremely hard with zero hydration to prepare for my tren/mtren/deca cycle that bbg advises, and then will impress you bro

I only recommend tren, mtren and deca for ippy. He's too hardcore for anything else.

[DJM]

^^^sd is fkn candy as he says

[BBG]

^^^sd is fkn candy as he says

I just realized... roguevampire is ippats from the future.

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I just realized... roguevampire is ippats from the future.

Mind fucking Blown.

[Infamy]

First time I used it, I did a week at 50, 2 weeks at 100, then a week at 150 when I thought my head was going to literally explode but I (stupidly) toughed it out and then went back to 100 for the rest of the cycle until tapering down (everybody tapered down in the 80s).

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You know it's interesting you say that because recently i've been looking at the liver toxicity of the "standard" orals, winstol, anavar, anadrol, dbol etc and found something unexpected.

My interest started after I did 2 weeks of winstrol at 80mg a day. I had my liver function done a week or so after finishing it. I used no liver support between finishing it and the liver function test. The result I was fully expecting was one of a large increase in the transaminases and a real messed up liver function. It was, after all 80mg of what many of the "bro" websites claim to be extremely hepatotoxic steroid. Instead, my liver enzymes were barely above the upper limit of normal (I think it was 58 with the Upper limit of normal being 50). Not only that but I couldnt be 100% sure that the winstrol even caused all of that as I had been using tren A and masteron. Both of which may in some people raise liver enzymes slightly. To avoid doubt, the winstrol was definitely legit!!!

So I did some research. It seems there are almost no reported cases of liver damage or jaundice from winstrol. There was one of a man who had an extreme sensitivity to it but I think he can be discounted as he is definitely the exception rather than the rule.

There was also one of a powerlifter injecting 125mg twice a week for one month. But im inclined to have my doubts over this one due to the fact that the report says he had an "exceptionally muscular physique". Winstrol may be good but it doesnt do that for you so I have reason to believe he takes other things too so I take this with a pinch of salt. Especially when there are so few other reports which show similar results. If that damage was standard after that dose for that long, I would have expected my liver function tests to be terrible. They werent. They were almost normal.

There are also cases of people being prescribed winstrol at 5-10mg a day for years without even causing an increase in liver function tests!! Now I know that dose is well below the BBing dose but even so it's interesting.

Furthermore, bear in mind that winstrol has been around and has been abused by bodybuilders for decades so it wouldnt be unexpected to see some sort of reports of liver damage from it. But I couldnt find any which directly related to the winstrol use. There was one of a BBer who did have jaundice from using winstrol but then you cant blame the winstrol solely as he was using dbol at the same time at large doses.

In fact the only evidence I found of real liver damage was when used on liver cells at a dose of 400 times the therapeutic dose which caused large scale damage. But, 400 times the therapeutic dose would be over 200mg a day so again, not really relevant to bbing unless you are trying to kill yourself.

So I went one step further and looked for halotestin (the one which most "bro" sites claim is the most toxic oral ever and if you take it you will die etc etc). Again, very little reports of liver damage. There were a couple but not many considering this has been used and abused for decades. The one I did see was of an old lady prescribed it for over 2 years and died of liver failure but given the length of time she took it for and her age and decreased capacity for removing toxins by the liver, this doesnt translate well to normal bbing usage.

Now compare this to modern designer steroids like superdrol. A quick google search gives you quite a few examples of liver damage. Bear in mind sdrol is probably only 10 years old too!

Now im not trying to say that the traditional orals are safe to take a large doses for life. Undoubtedly if you take them high enough for long enough you will get liver damage, thats a fact. But it seems that some of the traditional ones really arent that liver toxic - especially when compared to the new stuff today which is just crazy toxic (methyl sten, sdrol diendione etc etc). This seems to contradict everything you read on steroid websites I know but dont just take my word for it, take a look for yourself.

Sorry for the thread jack but seemed relevant after burly's post.

[Jelisej]

I use 100mg of mast prop eod. Dont get mast e the stuff is crap and doesn't have the same kick at all.

I use 350iu hcg eod. Be prepared to use 0.625 Letro ed from the start and double it after 4/5 weeks. It might seem overkill but believe me it's not. You need to be dam hard on e2 on tren as it rises quick and high.

I tought that thats more-less same thing, difference being ester?
What is difference in "kick"?
How would results compare?
Cheers!

[Infamy]

It's the same steroid yes. Just different ester but that does make a difference IMO.

My effects with mast e were so so. But drostanolone prop was much better. I felt an increase in libido and sexual function about 8 hours or so after the inject. I never got that with the enanthate ester.

Drostanolone prop gives me better sexual fuction (like a Viagra type effect). It gives me a perceived lowering of body fat. I say perceived as I am cautious that the improvements in bf seen in the mirror are not necessarily a loss of bf but more a loss of some subcutaneous water. Strong androgens in my experience have a type of diuretic effect (and I think some confuse that with fat loss). Either way I look better in the mirror. Slight strength increase and an improvement in mood. I think tren solo can make you more cynical and selfish but the masteron counteracts that and puts me back to normal mood wise (I think there was something I read about androgens being able to regulate seratonin receptors so maybe that's the mechanism).

I won't lie, masteron won't make you huge but it does give some nice lean quality muscle gains. I just use it for its supplementary effects which makes any steroid cycle more pleasant both mentally and aesthetically.

Going back to masteron e, I didn't really see or feel any of the above benefits on masteron e. it was legit stuff but just didn't give the same benefits. Hence why I'd never use masteron e.

The other great thing is that, aside from the usual steroid side effects (stopping natural test production, lipid profile worsening etc) it hasn't got any to speak of. I get a very slight increase in liver enzymes (not sure if that's the masteron or tren though), but I am probably the exception in that.

It does depend on what type of cycle you want to run though. On an all out bulk with test, it'd probably be a waste. On a cut with calorie deficit though it adds something.

I think masteron is one of those steroids which may seem like a luxury on paper but after you run it, you'll know why so many vets like to use it with their cycles. It really is one of my favourite steroids.

[Izzetmaster]

hahahahh jokes burlyman, i repsect you, and will consider your advises, REPS! people are actually amazed and stare at my intense workouts,so intense, i literally sweat much!!! i do whole body olympic inspired by the great
anatoli zurechekmov, so beautiful physique, id would oral him...i will train extremely hard with zero hydration to prepare for my tren/mtren/deca cycle that bbg advises, and then will impress you bro

I just about pissed myself from laughter. Oh, it's good to see nothing has changed.

[Jelisej]

It's the same steroid yes. Just different ester but that does make a difference IMO.

My effects with mast e were so so. But drostanolone prop was much better. I felt an increase in libido and sexual function about 8 hours or so after the inject. I never got that with the enanthate ester.

Drostanolone prop gives me better sexual fuction (like a Viagra type effect). It gives me a perceived lowering of body fat. I say perceived as I am cautious that the improvements in bf seen in the mirror are not necessarily a loss of bf but more a loss of some subcutaneous water. Strong androgens in my experience have a type of diuretic effect (and I think some confuse that with fat loss). Either way I look better in the mirror. Slight strength increase and an improvement in mood. I think tren solo can make you more cynical and selfish but the masteron counteracts that and puts me back to normal mood wise (I think there was something I read about androgens being able to regulate seratonin receptors so maybe that's the mechanism).

I won't lie, masteron won't make you huge but it does give some nice lean quality muscle gains. I just use it for its supplementary effects which makes any steroid cycle more pleasant both mentally and aesthetically.

Going back to masteron e, I didn't really see or feel any of the above benefits on masteron e. it was legit stuff but just didn't give the same benefits. Hence why I'd never use masteron e.

The other great thing is that, aside from the usual steroid side effects (stopping natural test production, lipid profile worsening etc) it hasn't got any to speak of. I get a very slight increase in liver enzymes (not sure if that's the masteron or tren though), but I am probably the exception in that.

It does depend on what type of cycle you want to run though. On an all out bulk with test, it'd probably be a waste. On a cut with calorie deficit though it adds something.

I think masteron is one of those steroids which may seem like a luxury on paper but after you run it, you'll know why so many vets like to use it with their cycles. It really is one of my favourite steroids.

I think you may be fast metabolizer or how else to name it- meaning you need more frequent injections/doses.

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I think you may be fast metabolizer or how else to name it- meaning you need more frequent injections/doses.

Are you saying that in terms of why mast e doesnt hit hm the same way? I dont know if i agree. If that were true he would notice it with any enanthate ester, but he hasnt mentioned that previously. I actually have heard similar before with masteron specifically, i am more curious if the body just responds better to it in a pulastile manner. Because really all esters "should" be equal given appropriate administration.