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    Quote Originally Posted by pman42 View Post
    Thanks O.N. The panel that came back yesterday didn't have free testosterone, SHBG, or even T3 levels as it says these things are not indicated for my situation. hopefully an endo can order more thorough blood testing.

    I guess my last question, which was kind of silly, was: is it incredibly counterproductive to cycle at this point? I had hoped to get a few more under my belt but if it puts me in a worse place for recovery then maybe I shouldn't.
    If you wanted to diagnose and understand your issue then cycling is a bad idea at this stage, once you fix the problem and are recovered then you can plan a cycle out and be sure to use adequate HCG and have a well planned PCT and also you will have a very good idea of what your post cycle testosterone levels should look like.

    At the moment if you cycled you would go on and come off and cross your fingers for a score around 11 again, where as fixing the issues getting hopefully 20+ then going on and coming off and getting 20+ again naturally.

    Finding out what level you can get naturally and through diet/supplementation etc and then being able to aim for that same level after a cycle.
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    just read all of this...very informative thread!

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    ^^ yes it is, and thanks to everyone who participated.

    what's odd about this is that I don't have any symptoms of low test. my libido is high, often extremely high, and porn usually has to supplement the wife. even though I am a hard(ish) gainer, I attribute this to my naturally lanky frame. at 6'2" I've been as light as 175 (and as heavy as 250). I should have used my formative years at 14-21 blasting weights but for much of that i was vegetarian/vegan and focused on endurance cardio. so much wasted time. who knows what that did to my test. diabetes also runs in the family and i have that love handle adiposity that is annoying and hard to get rid of, although i eat well and train my ass off.

    i hope that by naturally jumpstarting production i can make some good gains again. not ready to hang up the towel yet. I'm sure there are many professional BBers with lower test than me, but they can do massive cycles to gain. i'm not interested in shooting myself in one foot to take a step forward with the other so i think for now i will explore the HPTA reset and stay natty

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