I feel like you guys need to atleast understand the hormones, or the hormone modulators in their own form, and what they do..before you start throwing them in your bodies..or having a very slight base knowledge and just going off of what Jel tells you. Jel is smart as fuck and has forgotten more than I know, but you can't just take what someone says as the gospel. I feel like if you all understood these things more, you'd understand why a lot of what you try doesn't work.