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[silverstrand]

I got joint pain When I took too much tamoxifen.

Now I'm taking clomid, 12.5mg, first pill was good, more energy, less brain fog, balls got bigger, after 5 days I decided to take more 12.5mg, this time I got more tired, more muscle wastage, less strenght. Maybe I decrease too much E.

What I can tell you is that after getting too low E with tamoxifen, I got an estrogen rebound that made me worse.

From what I can tell dude, is there's a protocol to all this stuff which starts by getting labs drug free to get stable blood levels while maintaining a healthy lifestyle. Then over the course of several months adding items in and monitoring progress. I feel its a top to bottom approach. Estrogen and DHT are at the bottom, so probably the last things to mess with.
My plan is set for the next couple months while I seek out an endo who "gets it"

[Cdsnuts]

From what I can tell dude, is there's a protocol to all this stuff which starts by getting labs drug free to get stable blood levels while maintaining a healthy lifestyle. Then over the course of several months adding items in and monitoring progress. I feel its a top to bottom approach. Estrogen and DHT are at the bottom, so probably the last things to mess with.
My plan is set for the next couple months while I seek out an endo who "gets it"

I hate to break it to you bro, but if there was an endo that "got it" there would be no such thing as guys suffering with PFS. The problem is, they don't get it. The reason they don't get it is because it's not a straight out problem of looking at labs and fixing the numbers. I thought you knew that after spending any amount of time on PH. What ever Propecia does, it's not something that can be fixed by throwing a bunch of pharmaceuticals at it. Even the endo's that are in the know concerning the issue, don't know how to fix it because it doesn't respond like a regular guy with low T responds. This is unfortunately PFS 101.

IMO, you're just prolonging the suffering by playing around the way you are. There is a reason my stance on the subject is the way it is. I don't know why you're trying to re-invent the wheel. You know what you need to do. There are posts after posts after posts of guys who are and were trying to fix themselves the way your are, and it NEVER gets them where they need to go. You're not going to force your body into doing anything. The writing is on the wall. You need to just sack up and do what works. It's almost like you've never even been to the PH website and you're coming here forgetting what you're actually dealing with.

This is an "out of the box" issue and you're not going to fix it by searching for inside the box answers. Maybe you need to go back to that site an re-read all of the things that didn't work. Or....and here's a novel idea....follow one of the few recovery stories there and COPY IT. PICK ONE, and stick to it......FOR A YEAR. Then re-evaluate. You're just spinning your wheels other wise and you're doing it right in front of all of us to see. I don't think you realize that though.