Burly's TRT journey

[burlyman30]

Depending from symptoms, 500 should be treated somehow (IMO), usualy natural ways can increase test enough, if not then its HCG time. Clomid as TRT is not an option (IMO) as usualy people get numbers but nothing else, and estrogen on clomid is all over the place. I mean what does it mean if I have a piece of paper on which says TT 900 ng/dl if I feel like I have 300 ng/dl?
Also (IMO) bioavailable and free test are more interesting than TT, and most of endos accept this- Dr Romeo Marianco is one of the exceptions, but his patients have TT in pretty high numbers, so I guess they still have some decent free test.

Good feedback on the clomid. I remember you've said this before. Are you aware of prescribed TRT protocol that included only HCG? I'm thinking it would require an AI at a minimum.

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[Jelisej]

Good feedback on the clomid. I remember you've said this before. Are you aware of prescribed TRT protocol that included only HCG? I'm thinking it would require an AI at a minimum.

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Yes, there is so called HCG momotherapy- sometimes is used as a "restart protocol", but often is used as TRT for secondary guys; most of the top endos nowdays are pushing HCG first, but for some reasons ordinary docs are often very sceptical of HCG.
People do get nice numbers with HCG only, even top of the range- but it can be very difficult to find right dosage, and again it same thing can happen again- you may get numbers but not the "feel".
Best option (IMO) is to start with HCG and then take it from there, there will be lot of "tweaking" till you get into right place.
As for AI, it really depends from person to person- both HCG and "straight" testosterone shots aromatise, testosterone gel on other hand converts a lot to DHT, but people say its inconvinient and it seems that is more difficult to maintain stable levels.

[dirkwright]

Yes, there is so called HCG momotherapy- sometimes is used as a "restart protocol", but often is used as TRT for secondary guys; most of the top endos nowdays are pushing HCG first, but for some reasons ordinary docs are often very sceptical of HCG.
People do get nice numbers with HCG only, even top of the range- but it can be very difficult to find right dosage, and again it same thing can happen again- you may get numbers but not the "feel".
Best option (IMO) is to start with HCG and then take it from there, there will be lot of "tweaking" till you get into right place.
As for AI, it really depends from person to person- both HCG and "straight" testosterone shots aromatise, testosterone gel on other hand converts a lot to DHT, but people say its inconvinient and it seems that is more difficult to maintain stable levels.

I made the mistake of combining HCG and iodine supplements. I wound up with a very irritated thyroid gland. So, forewarned is fore armed. HCG stimulates the thyroid apparently.

My suggestion would be to make sure that an aromatase inhibitor is used when ever we try to boost test, but you probably know that already.

[h2s]

I made the mistake of combining HCG and iodine supplements. I wound up with a very irritated thyroid gland. So, forewarned is fore armed. HCG stimulates the thyroid apparently.

My suggestion would be to make sure that an aromatase inhibitor is used when ever we try to boost test, but you probably know that already.

Human chorionic gonadotropin stimula... [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI

[dirkwright]

Human chorionic gonadotropin stimula... [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI

Thanks. I don't understand all of the article, but my endo doc said it was my fault for combining Hcg and Iodoral. I had to take beta blockers for about 4 months and it took me a total of about 6 months to recover. I'm still leery of taking Iodoral now.

Anyway, I just wanted to share my experience.

[Jelisej]

Thanks. I don't understand all of the article, but my endo doc said it was my fault for combining Hcg and Iodoral. I had to take beta blockers for about 4 months and it took me a total of about 6 months to recover. I'm still leery of taking Iodoral now.

Anyway, I just wanted to share my experience.

Thanks for sharing info, bro'. More we share- more we learn.