Bizzbee's Juice Feast

[jimmyjonas]

I hate to somewhat tarnish the sanctity and purity of a forum such as this but I felt the need to post this poisonous, caustic spew from PH in order to make a point to our friend 'road to recover' that he seems to have misplaced some of his loathing:

"I'd like to share a concern I have re sense of community. It's very clear to me, simply by contrasting the new members topic titles and content on solve and many here with the older ones that an attitude has taken hold of "I'M going to beat this, I'M not going to end up like THEM." I think this is based on the professed attitudes of a couple of supposed recoveries. This is manifest in the whole PFS forum at "swole source" where they basically try and diet, exercise and herb their way out of PFS. As far as I could see there was only one originally mild (I know pfs is not mild for anyone, but in relative terms) case who got better, the rest are doing a strict regime with extremely mixed results. The universally declarative and erroneous description English gave of the PFS crash was enough to clarify that what he and CDNuts recovered from was not the PFS myself and many others are suffering. I feel that while they give people hope that is sorely lacking from our struggle, it comes with a differentiation between those who "have what it takes" and those who can't be bothered to get better, like they've swallowed a paleo Ayn Rand book. There's a certainty that is completely unwarranted and unsubstantiatable. I absolutely am not suggesting for a second they shouldn't follow the route they wish to take and believe helped them, but combined with other factors, you can visibly see this outlook has contributed to a serious erosion of fellowship and introduced a tribal competitiveness that is absolutely useless and self defeating. They talk of the victims here disparagingly and wish to differentiate themselves, yet theyve had no more results than any other forum. I really don't see what can be done about this besides the uncovering of what PFS is, which really is making this struggle so impossible on so many levels. Everyone looks like a hypochondriac, no treatment works, sufferers left right and centre are saying "PFS is this!", all the while it's the cruellest punishment imaginable. I truly hope you are right in that this horror will relatively soon be dragged into the light."


I find it a bit RICH that YOU road to recover would find me in contempt for simply being a little rude to them when this is the sort of thing they spew.

The above is exactly why i hate that place, filled with prophets of doom, i've said it time and time again that these guys stand in their own way, they are negative defeatist people, this is the biggest obstacle to their own recovery, but they are blind to their own faults and weakness and would never admit it.

And fine if you want to live life that way but they also want to pull everyone else down with them and attack anyone who says they got their life back on track, that argument works both ways, how the fuck do they possibly know that guys haven't got better from PFS, do they have some special type crystal ball that tells them everyones lying and people don't know their own bodies, no they are simply guys like us here who instead have CHOSEN to be negative, who have chosen to say its irreversible, who have chosen to give up, they present themselves as some sort of all knowing gods, who post scientific study after study and are no doubt articulate intelligent people, but really at the back of it and behind all the bullshit they are just guys like us here but who have chosen to give up, basically lets all hold hands and stay in pfs hell forever and dont dare say its possible to recover.

I was scared of that stuff in the early days and it really brought me to the brink, the damage that place does to your mind is unspeakable, you cant unsee or unread some of that bile, they just dont get that though. I wish all new guys going there would know this and for them not to be scared and to realise the admins of these sites do not know everything, they have their own agenda, wheter it be an ego trip, getting off on posting the scariest most detailed study and keeping their flock in fear or something else, but it's kinda sick really.


Finally I fucking guarantee that these guys that scoff at the protocol have not given it a shot for a good amount of time or a shot at all, they're too busy wallowing online and searching for the next study that they hope will confirm they are eternally condemned, seriously fucked up mindset, how on earth could they possibly get better.

Anyway thats enough from me about that place, we all know it's somewhere to be avoided.

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The above is exactly why i hate that place, filled with prophets of doom, i've said it time and time again that these guys stand in their own way, they are negative defeatist people, this is the biggest obstacle to their own recovery, but they are blind to their own faults and weakness and would never admit it.

And fine if you want to live life that way but they also want to pull everyone else down with them and attack anyone who says they got their life back on track, that argument works both ways, how the fuck do they possibly know that guys haven't got better from PFS, do they have some special type crystal ball that tells them everyones lying and people don't know their own bodies, no they are simply guys like us here who instead have CHOSEN to be negative, who have chosen to say its irreversible, who have chosen to give up, they present themselves as some sort of all knowing gods, who post scientific study after study and are no doubt articulate intelligent people, but really at the back of it and behind all the bullshit they are just guys like us here but who have chosen to give up, basically lets all hold hands and stay in pfs hell forever and dont dare say its possible to recover.

I was scared of that stuff in the early days and it really brought me to the brink, the damage that place does to your mind is unspeakable, you cant unsee or unread some of that bile, they just dont get that though. I wish all new guys going there would know this and for them not to be scared and to realise the admins of these sites do not know everything, they have their own agenda, wheter it be an ego trip, getting off on posting the scariest most detailed study and keeping their flock in fear or something else, but it's kinda sick really.


Finally I fucking guarantee that these guys that scoff at the protocol have not given it a shot for a good amount of time or a shot at all, they're too busy wallowing online and searching for the next study that they hope will confirm they are eternally condemned, seriously fucked up mindset, how on earth could they possibly get better.

Anyway thats enough from me about that place, we all know it's somewhere to be avoided.

I don't get it. They just eat mcdonalds and binge drink everyday and stay sedentary? Confuses me. I was doing like 80% of the protocol before I even crashed or knew cdnuts though

[jimmyjonas]

I don't get it. They just eat mcdonalds and binge drink everyday and stay sedentary? Confuses me. I was doing like 80% of the protocol before I even crashed or knew cdnuts though

I honestly don't know what they are doing now man, I think the main focus was/is the silver bullet, as in a drug that will cure all, but the underlying belief from the top is that it is permanent and any idea of recovery is laughable, however that is entirely based on their opinion, nothing else.

And look, of course I get the need to understand it, everybody is entitled to go their own way with this however my gripe is that these guys have influence, and use that influence in a desperately negative way, damaging guys hopes of a recovery which can lead to suicide and shut down people that say they are doing better. Lord Awor, Lord Mew for all we know these guys are stuck behind computers with fat guts suffering from depression who havent got off their ass and put in the graft, and have possibly fucked themselves up much more by taking different drug treatments