Dknighten's Road To Recovery

[Outlaw]

I live a healthy lifestyle dude. I get sun every day, I get some form of exercise every day, I eat well, I do breathing, meditation, etc. I have had zero improvements anywhere. Very few guys I've come across over 2 and a half years have had the types of physical changes i've had. 5 or less. I'm not eating ice cream and bullshit complaining that i'm not getting any better. I don't take cold showers because I'm freezing all of the time as it is and I don't use the bathmate because my rubbery dick and zero libido is the least of my concerns. I don't sprint and do HIIT because I can do body weight exercises and be fucked up like I have the flu and be unfunctional the rest of the day. The herb rotation, sun exposure, elimination of phytoestrogens in all forms, breathing, meditation, etc. I've done it for over a year consistently. Nothing about my body or cognition has changed. I was looking for some quick advice about the R andro cycle because it is my last hoo-rah before I call it quits. I refuse to live another 2-3 years this way before it happens anyways. If the program is giving you benefits, then i'm very happy to hear it. It's not the same on my end.

I hope you know that I didn't mean to condescend or anything. I can relate to your story because I also took 1 pill, and we actually talked briefly on PH in december.

I just want to tell you that calling quits is not an option man. If I were you, my "last hoorah" wouldn't be a random R-Andro cycle, it would be trying to follow the program as closely as possible (given what you can) for 2 years. You can get better. Maybe not as quickly as others, but it's definitely possible. And you'll never know how the juice tastes if you give up before squeezing it.

I understand your case might be more severe but don't give up man. If I can ever help I'm just a message away

[HOPE]

I hope you know that I didn't mean to condescend or anything. I can relate to your story because I also took 1 pill, and we actually talked briefly on PH in december.

I just want to tell you that calling quits is not an option man. If I were you, my "last hoorah" wouldn't be a random R-Andro cycle, it would be trying to follow the program as closely as possible (given what you can) for 2 years. You can get better. Maybe not as quickly as others, but it's definitely possible. And you'll never know how the juice tastes if you give up before squeezing it.

I understand your case might be more severe but don't give up man. If I can ever help I'm just a message away

Come on my brother. Outlaw is giving you some words of wisdom right here. Why not hop into an extended fast? That was what sealed the deal for me…. it certainly helped. How is your diet like? What do you eat on a daily basis? What herbs are you rotating? I’ve only been following the protocol for a month and there has been some minor improvements in certain things… I’m sure you’ll get better, but calling it quits? Not an option.

Fast, man… fast until completion. Then slowly start doing body-weight exercises, upping the doses on the herbs. I don’t mean to be a dick, but there’s certainly a lot to try.

[DKnighten]

Come on my brother. Outlaw is giving you some words of wisdom right here. Why not hop into an extended fast? That was what sealed the deal for me…. it certainly helped. How is your diet like? What do you eat on a daily basis? What herbs are you rotating? I’ve only been following the protocol for a month and there has been some minor improvements in certain things… I’m sure you’ll get better, but calling it quits? Not an option.

Fast, man… fast until completion. Then slowly start doing body-weight exercises, upping the doses on the herbs. I don’t mean to be a dick, but there’s certainly a lot to try.

An extended fast is not an option. I'm in a Doctorate program that's full time with no breaks. I did the juicing as well and i'm aware enough to know that it's a health fad. It may improve some gut issues and calm inflammation, but juicing for an extended period of time is not going to result in substantial changes. Extended fasting may, but it's not an option right now. My diet is good. Cauliflower rice, no grains, some cheese on my omelets and some other dishes, lots of water, chicken, beef, steamed cruciferous veggies, coconut milk smoothies (with goat whey and berries, cilantro, parsley, ceylon cinnamon), lots of homemade chicken curry. apples, couple of brazil nuts daily. No other nuts or dairy. Goat feta on dishes. I use a lot of recipes posted here. When I tell you that I have always been very health aware, i'm not bullshitting. Go to PH and look at pictures of me before PFS. I am pretty certain I was in significantly better shape than most guys on this forum and have extensive knowledge of exercise and lifting weights. I have a bachelor's degree in Kinesiology and i'm a 2nd year DPT student.

I'm rotating cordyceps, cistanche, tongkat, bacopa, and i take ash and pine pollen daily. Along with vitamin D, C palmitate, Boron, Butyrate, phosphatidyl choline, chlorella, I mean etc etc dude. I've followed this protocol for the past year and some change apart from the cold showers and the dick pump. I've always lived healthy and been a stud. check out my pictures. TMO program largely consists of living a healthy lifestyle and not being a socially isolated hermit. To see guys on here have some minor shit like libido and ED improve and then say "get to work" or "don't be a victim" is honestly laughable.

I'm desperate at this point and i've gotten to a point where I honestly can't imagine life without fucked up muscles, skin, hair, vision, cognition, etc. I need to try something and R andro seems to be safer than going on TRT or HCG

[Cdsnuts]

An extended fast is not an option. I'm in a Doctorate program that's full time with no breaks. I did the juicing as well and i'm aware enough to know that it's a health fad. It may improve some gut issues and calm inflammation, but juicing for an extended period of time is not going to result in substantial changes. Extended fasting may, but it's not an option right now. My diet is good. Cauliflower rice, no grains, some cheese on my omelets and some other dishes, lots of water, chicken, beef, steamed cruciferous veggies, coconut milk smoothies (with goat whey and berries, cilantro, parsley, ceylon cinnamon), lots of homemade chicken curry. apples, couple of brazil nuts daily. No other nuts or dairy. Goat feta on dishes. I use a lot of recipes posted here. When I tell you that I have always been very health aware, i'm not bullshitting. Go to PH and look at pictures of me before PFS. I am pretty certain I was in significantly better shape than most guys on this forum and have extensive knowledge of exercise and lifting weights. I have a bachelor's degree in Kinesiology and i'm a 2nd year DPT student.

I'm rotating cordyceps, cistanche, tongkat, bacopa, and i take ash and pine pollen daily. Along with vitamin D, C palmitate, Boron, Butyrate, phosphatidyl choline, chlorella, I mean etc etc dude. I've followed this protocol for the past year and some change apart from the cold showers and the dick pump. I've always lived healthy and been a stud. check out my pictures. TMO program largely consists of living a healthy lifestyle and not being a socially isolated hermit. To see guys on here have some minor shit like libido and ED improve and then say "get to work" or "don't be a victim" is honestly laughable.

I'm desperate at this point and i've gotten to a point where I honestly can't imagine life without fucked up muscles, skin, hair, vision, cognition, etc. I need to try something and R andro seems to be safer than going on TRT or HCG

Juice cleansing a "health fad?" I guess that depends on how you look at it. I've used it as a tool for the past ten years, so if fads last that long, then so be it. Whether it is, or isn't, doesn't take away from the benefits it give the body. And you're incorrect. A substantial juice feast WILL result in important changes. It's just most guys just have some bullshit excuse as to why they can't do it for longer then a few days. That's laughable.

Okay....so you've been on for a year....75%. Average heal time is 6mos-2 years at 100% Looks like you're gonna be on the longer end of things.

What's stopping you from cycling?

[DKnighten]

Juice cleansing a "health fad?" I guess that depends on how you look at it. I've used it as a tool for the past ten years, so if fads last that long, then so be it. Whether it is, or isn't, doesn't take away from the benefits it give the body. And you're incorrect. A substantial juice feast WILL result in important changes. It's just most guys just have some bullshit excuse as to why they can't do it for longer then a few days. That's laughable.

Okay....so you've been on for a year....75%. Average heal time is 6mos-2 years at 100% Looks like you're gonna be on the longer end of things.

What's stopping you from cycling?

Nothing is stopping me from cycling apart from fear of getting worse. I've stayed away from any hormone treatment other than a few months of Clomid. Since I haven't been "all in" with dieting and more than 4 or 5 herbs for an extended period of time, I've been reluctant to give the R-andro a spin.

[HOPE]

Nothing is stopping me from cycling apart from fear of getting worse. I've stayed away from any hormone treatment other than a few months of Clomid. Since I haven't been "all in" with dieting and more than 4 or 5 herbs for an extended period of time, I've been reluctant to give the R-andro a spin.

Man, not trying to be a dick, but this clearly works for Finasteride issues. Buy more herbs, dial down on the diet, cycle them, do that for 2 more months, then R-andro.

[Cdsnuts]

Nothing is stopping me from cycling apart from fear of getting worse. I've stayed away from any hormone treatment other than a few months of Clomid. Since I haven't been "all in" with dieting and more than 4 or 5 herbs for an extended period of time, I've been reluctant to give the R-andro a spin.

Understandable.

Here's the thing.....I was where you are....I was deeep in a dark lonely hole. Do you think I would recommend something to a pfs guy that is going to fuck him up even more? No.

I understand the trepidation, but you'll feel when the time is right....