5a-DHP

[DrivenToRecover]

Try 2 tablespoons tonight. I don't really notice the relaxing effect from 1 tablespoon that much that is why I can handle it during the day.

Yep, screw grains man I feel so much better cutting them out. They are inflammatory, have gluten, suppress thyroid/metabolism, inhibit zinc absorption, horrible for the gut/hard to digest etc. Fruit, white rice and potatoes are my carb sources.

Yes, Peat is against serotonin, he doesn't say to completely eliminate it but keep it as low as possible in the normal range. The reason is that estrogen, prolactin, cortisol, histamine and serotonin are all interconnected and are all stress related to the organism. Serotonin slows metabolism and is considered elevated in only times of stress, along with increasing prolactin, estrogen and cortisol. Anything that causes "stress" towards the organism is going to put resources away from the right functions of the body. Like how cortisol causes weight gain, depressed sexual function, crappy skin etc. I always thought serotonin was the "good" guy too.

Take for example, SSRI's. So many people are screwed up from SSRI's b/c they raise serotonin. All the sides of SSRI's are very similar to PFS...weight gain, slowed metabolism, prolactin rise, ED, low libido etc.

There is new evidence now that the "anti-depressant" effect of SSRI's is actually from the rise in allopregnenolone now- not from the serotonin increase.

All in all, the main neurotransmitters you want elevated is GABA and dopamine. You probably know but both of those have anti- stress, pro-metabolic, pro testosterone, pro thyroid functions, neuroprotective functions. If you want to read more in depth about serotonin, check it out Serotonin, depression, and aggression - The problem of brain energy.

In Parkinson’s disease, the benefits seen from increasing the concentration of dopamine could result from dopamine’s antagonism to serotonin; anti-serotonin drugs can alleviate the symptoms, and 5-hydroxytryptophan can worsen the symptoms (Chase, et al., 1976). Other movement disorders, including akathisia and chorea, can be produced by serotonin. In autism, repetitive motions are a common symptom, and serotonin is high in the blood serum and platelets of autistic children and their relatives. Irritable bowel syndrome, another kind of “movement disorder,” can be treated effectively with anti-serotonin agents. This syndrome is very common in women, with premenstrual exacerbations, when estrogen is highest. One of the side effects of oral contraceptives is chorea, uncontrollable dancing movements. Some research has found increased serotonin in people with Huntington’s chorea (Kish, et al., 1987), and positive results with bromocriptine have been reported (Agnoli, et al., 1977).

The neurosteroid, allopregnanolone, for which progesterone is the precursor, facilitates the inhibitory action of GABA, which is known to be deficient in some disorders of mood and movement. This suggests that progesterone will be therapeutic in the movement disorders, as it is in various mood problems. Progesterone has some specific antiserotonin actions (e.g., Wu, et al., 2000).

The “serotonin reuptake inhibitors” “are presumed” to have the same effect on the brain that they have on blood platelets. They inhibit the ability of platelets to retain and concentrate serotonin, allowing it to stay in the plasma. This uptake-inhibited condition is a model of the platelet behavior seen in multiple sclerosis and Alzheimer’s disease.

Serotonin and its derivative, melatonin, are both involved in the biology of torpor and hibernation. Serotonin inhibits mitochondrial respiration. Excitoxic death of nerve cells involves both the limitation of energy production, and increased cellular activation. Serotonin has both of these actions.

Increased serotonin interferes with the consolidation of learning. Hypothermia has a similar effect. Since estrogen increases serotonergia, and decreases body temperature, these effects help to explain the long-observed interference of estrogen with learning.

I took 3 tablespoons and I feel pretty damn sleepy.

It really makes sense to me now why I had the health problems I had even as a kid. I lived off of Nutri grain bars, PB&J's, and Goldfish lol

SSRI's...Don't even get me started. I've been trying to get a family member off of them for a while now, and It frustrates me to see them still take them knowing what I know. I'm guessing the 5a-dhp would be a great alternative for a female as well?

Dopamine is another thing I'm always looking to learn more on as well. I know from taking adderall 15 years straight my natural dopamine is pretty down-regulated. No fap, no drugs, and exercise are the things that seem to help with that the most. I do sometimes wonder about the long term effects of the adderall though...its weird for me to think that from age 7-22 just about every experience that I had was with a constant hit of amphetamines in my system. Thank God neuroplasticity is a thing lol

Tubz you really are a wealth of internet knowledge with all your research and computer savy haha. I really am thankful for a few of the things you've gotten me into...Got any resources bookmarked for helping with dopamine?..peat or otherwise?

[Cdsnuts]

I took 3 tablespoons and I feel pretty damn sleepy.

It really makes sense to me now why I had the health problems I had even as a kid. I lived off of Nutri grain bars, PB&J's, and Goldfish lol

SSRI's...Don't even get me started. I've been trying to get a family member off of them for a while now, and It frustrates me to see them still take them knowing what I know. I'm guessing the 5a-dhp would be a great alternative for a female as well?

Dopamine is another thing I'm always looking to learn more on as well. I know from taking adderall 15 years straight my natural dopamine is pretty down-regulated. No fap, no drugs, and exercise are the things that seem to help with that the most. I do sometimes wonder about the long term effects of the adderall though...its weird for me to think that from age 7-22 just about every experience that I had was with a constant hit of amphetamines in my system. Thank God neuroplasticity is a thing lol

Tubz you really are a wealth of internet knowledge with all your research and computer savy haha. I really am thankful for a few of the things you've gotten me into...Got any resources bookmarked for helping with dopamine?..peat or otherwise?

This is great for increasing dopamine: Mucuna Organic Extract - L-DOPA - Lost Empire Herbs

One of the things that hurts the most is the more you learn about health, the more you realize how bad the people in your life that you love are damaging themselves and no matter what you say or do to try and help them, it's most likely going to fall on deaf ears.

[DrivenToRecover]

This is great for increasing dopamine: Mucuna Organic Extract - L-DOPA - Lost Empire Herbs

One of the things that hurts the most is the more you learn about health, the more you realize how bad the people in your life that you love are damaging themselves and no matter what you say or do to try and help them, it's most likely going to fall on deaf ears.

Yes. That was one of the herbs that I was most excited to take. I've tried l-tyrosine and 5-htp(which I guess is actually bad for you? bc of serotonin increase?) without noticing much. As soon as its back in stock I will get some.

Man. That hits really close to home for me. I've had a lot of those type of thoughts come to me in meditation. Another thought I've had while meditating is a possible explanation. Stick with me here haha tell me if you agree.

Health is a spectrum (like a 1-10) not a "yes you are healthy" or a "no you aren't." And usually the change on that 1-10 scale goes up and down so slowly that you get used to whatever you feel like. It becomes the new norm.
Because of that your negative actions are usually very far removed from the consequences when it comes to health.

Say I offer a person a piece of cake. Most people would eat the cake, even though they know that its unhealthy for them. Why? because the negative health implications of that single piece of cake are minuscule. Compare that to that minute of heaven where your system is flooded with dopamine from all of the sugar and other ingredients that scientists have concocted. The average person gives in and eats it.

But for me, I've had an experience where my health went from a 7 to a 1 in a week's time. It wasn't gradual at all. I wouldn't wish that week I had on anybody, but because of that experience, I have an entirely new appreciation for the blessing that health is...I'm not eating the damn cake ever again. lol

One of the biggest motivating factors for me is that I know all of the things that went down to a 1 (neurosteroids, hormones, libido, ect) were only at a 7 before. I can't wait till the day I pass 7 and eventually get to a 10.

[TubZy]

This is great for increasing dopamine: Mucuna Organic Extract - L-DOPA - Lost Empire Herbs

One of the things that hurts the most is the more you learn about health, the more you realize how bad the people in your life that you love are damaging themselves and no matter what you say or do to try and help them, it's most likely going to fall on deaf ears.

x2. Also shilajit lowers serotonin/prolactin too which would indirectly raise dopamine. @Cd has helped a lot too, he understand a lot of the stuff I'm coming from.

@driven

There is a bunch of things you can do but some easy ones to start is taurine and theanine. BCAA's and tyrosine seem to also help with dopamine and lower serotonin. Anything that lowers serotonin will indirectly increase dopamine (dopamine inhibits serotonin).

https://raypeatforum.com/community/t...he-brain.2821/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/t...dopamine.3724/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/t...ith-bcaa.2449/


Diet should be first though. So eliminate grains/gluten. Focus on this stuff.

Proteins: chicken, beef, eggs, shrimp/scallops, milk, ice cream
Carbs: fruits/fruit juice, white rice, potatoes
Fats: only saturated fats- so coconut oil (stimulates thyroid), grass fed butter..I only really use refined coconut oil for everything (cooking and frying etc.)

Completely eliminate as many polyunsaturated fats (PUFA) as you can majority of them will be in vegetable oils so cut them all out even olive oil.

Unsaturated Vegetable Oils: Toxic

Other supplements you could take a look into is: pregnenolone, DHEA, niacinamide, aspirin, caffeine/coffee, magnesium (chloride form), all fat soluble vitamins (each of them is anti estrogenic especially K2-MK4)

Also, I forgot to mention this to you guys before, but Haidut did some guest podcasts before on PFS and steroids etc. If you got some time check it out. i'm not the biggest fan of the danny roddy guy (the host) though.

Haidut on PFS, 5ARI's, DHT

Hair Loss and Prostate Cancer [Generative Energy #16] - YouTube

Haidut on preg/dhea etc.

The Youth Steroids: Pregnenolone, Progesterone DHEA [Generative Energy #8] - YouTube

Haidut on why PUFA is bad

Polyunsaturated Fats in The Real Organism [Generative Energy #7] - YouTube

[DrivenToRecover]

x2. Also shilajit lowers serotonin/prolactin too which would indirectly raise dopamine. @Cd has helped a lot too, he understand a lot of the stuff I'm coming from.

@driven

There is a bunch of things you can do but some easy ones to start is taurine and theanine. BCAA's and tyrosine seem to also help with dopamine and lower serotonin. Anything that lowers serotonin will indirectly increase dopamine (dopamine inhibits serotonin).

https://raypeatforum.com/community/t...he-brain.2821/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/t...dopamine.3724/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/t...ith-bcaa.2449/


Diet should be first though. So eliminate grains/gluten. Focus on this stuff.

Proteins: chicken, beef, eggs, shrimp/scallops, milk, ice cream
Carbs: fruits/fruit juice, white rice, potatoes
Fats: only saturated fats- so coconut oil (stimulates thyroid), grass fed butter..I only really use refined coconut oil for everything (cooking and frying etc.)

Completely eliminate as many polyunsaturated fats (PUFA) as you can majority of them will be in vegetable oils so cut them all out even olive oil.

Unsaturated Vegetable Oils: Toxic

Other supplements you could take a look into is: pregnenolone, DHEA, niacinamide, aspirin, caffeine/coffee, magnesium (chloride form), all fat soluble vitamins (each of them is anti estrogenic especially K2-MK4)

Also, I forgot to mention this to you guys before, but Haidut did some guest podcasts before on PFS and steroids etc. If you got some time check it out. i'm not the biggest fan of the danny roddy guy (the host) though.

Haidut on PFS, 5ARI's, DHT

Hair Loss and Prostate Cancer [Generative Energy #16] - YouTube

Haidut on preg/dhea etc.

Unsaturated Vegetable Oils: Toxic

Haidut on why PUFA is bad

Polyunsaturated Fats in The Real Organism [Generative Energy #7] - YouTube

Fuck man...don't tell me olive oil is bad too lol I live on the stuff. Sometimes even cook with it on low heat...
Is PUFA really that bad even in tiny amounts? Because you really can't avoid it entirely:

Infographic: Paleo Cooking Fats | Paleo Leap

Olive oil is 11% PUFA
Coconut 2%
Lard 11%
Tallow 4%
Butter 4%
Chicken fat 20%
Duck fat 12%


I much prefer the unrefined Coconut oil as well. The taste is awesome. I'd eat the stuff all day if it didn't give you the runs like hell

[TubZy]

Fuck man...don't tell me olive oil is bad too lol I live on the stuff. Sometimes even cook with it on low heat...
Is PUFA really that bad even in tiny amounts? Because you really can't avoid it entirely:

Infographic: Paleo Cooking Fats | Paleo Leap

Olive oil is 11% PUFA
Coconut 2%
Lard 11%
Tallow 4%
Butter 4%
Chicken fat 20%
Duck fat 12%


I much prefer the unrefined Coconut oil as well. The taste is awesome. I'd eat the stuff all day if it didn't give you the runs like hell

Refined coconut oil isn't mandatory it's just suggested but it's not that big of deal if you don't use refined. I use unrefined sometimes too.

Regarding Olive oil, peat mentions that if there was one oil in moderation you had to use it would be high quality olive oil mainly b/c of the vitamin E content in it which actually blocks some of the effects of PUFA/free fatty acids when it gets into your body just like niacinamide does. I used to cook with EVOO all the time, but I actually like refined coconut oil better for cooking now, all my meats, eggs, some veggies come out really moist. Coconut oil is also stable at high temps when olive oil oxidizes fairly quickly at lower temps and becomes rancid (which you don't want- just like how fish oil can become rancid from sitting on the shelf, also why manufacturers include added vit E to their fish oil to help prevent it oxidizing).

Vitamin K2 MK-4 will help detox PUFA from the liver too along with caffeine.

A lot of ppl target 2 grams of PUFA per day but that is pretty hard. I think I fall somewhere between the 2-6 gram range of PUFA a day though. The saturated fats from coconut oil will also offset some of the damage from PUFA since saturated fats are protective to the mitochondria. That is why cooking with coconut is very good especially with meats. What kind of coconut oil are you using that gives you the runs? I don't think I ever had that issue before and I probably use close to 6 tablespoons a day.

Peat's stuff is very complex at first, but once you read and realize actually what is going on it makes perfect sense and is actually pretty cool. At least that is how it was for me and I have been down all the roads, paleo, ketogenic, high carb, low carb etc.

It actually relates to being overall healthy plus the bodybuilding aspect (due to high metabolism, keeping estrogen, prolactin, serotonin low, with increases in DHT, T, DHEA = all benefits for athletes/bodybuilders) so two birds in one stone.

[DrivenToRecover]

Refined coconut oil isn't mandatory it's just suggested but it's not that big of deal if you don't use refined. I use unrefined sometimes too.

Regarding Olive oil, peat mentions that if there was one oil in moderation you had to use it would be high quality olive oil mainly b/c of the vitamin E content in it which actually blocks some of the effects of PUFA/free fatty acids when it gets into your body just like niacinamide does. I used to cook with EVOO all the time, but I actually like refined coconut oil better for cooking now, all my meats, eggs, some veggies come out really moist. Coconut oil is also stable at high temps when olive oil oxidizes fairly quickly at lower temps and becomes rancid (which you don't want- just like how fish oil can become rancid from sitting on the shelf, also why manufacturers include added vit E to their fish oil to help prevent it oxidizing).

Vitamin K2 MK-4 will help detox PUFA from the liver too along with caffeine.

A lot of ppl target 2 grams of PUFA per day but that is pretty hard. I think I fall somewhere between the 2-6 gram range of PUFA a day though. The saturated fats from coconut oil will also offset some of the damage from PUFA since saturated fats are protective to the mitochondria. That is why cooking with coconut is very good especially with meats. What kind of coconut oil are you using that gives you the runs? I don't think I ever had that issue before and I probably use close to 6 tablespoons a day.

Peat's stuff is very complex at first, but once you read and realize actually what is going on it makes perfect sense and is actually pretty cool. At least that is how it was for me and I have been down all the roads, paleo, ketogenic, high carb, low carb etc.

It actually relates to being overall healthy plus the bodybuilding aspect (due to high metabolism, keeping estrogen, prolactin, serotonin low = all benefits for athletes/bodybuilders) so two birds in one stone.

We really should start a diet thread. I eat such few things nowadays that I really have what I do eat down to a science at this point.

I feel like we all probably do & we're eating all the same stuff. From the best place to buy in terms of price vs quality, and specific ways of preparing things I'd love to hear the routine that everyone is on.

Coconut oil and the runs is something I've read about everywhere online...its been my personal experience as well across a few brands.

[Brazilianguy]

After taking 5a-DHP do we need any PCT? If so, what kind of pct do you guys intend to do, just herbs or herbs and Sustain Alpha?

When I was taking SERMs a long time ago I remembered that when I took too much, I would feel some low estrogen sides, like anxiety, peeing a lot, dick shrinkage etc. With Sustain Alpha I'm getting the same thing sometimes, like I'm over sensitive to estrogen blockers, I can't block too much because I may get worse and not get better, I mean, the famous estrogen rebound.

Tribulus and maca on the other hand gave me the best recoveries and very smooth ups and downs leading to better baseline, they seem more secure and the results are more stable.

So my question to you guys would be how you guys will do your pct and if you guys think things like Sustain Alpha (I completely discard serms) and others resveratrol products are necessary or not to recover and pct.

[TubZy]

I'm the same, I use coconut oil for cooking everything.

Is there a reason you use refined? I've always defaulted to buying unrefined.

two reasons:

• Refined coconut oil has no taste perfect for cooking, frying, baking etc.
• Refining process removes any potential allergens from bad coconuts, the saturated fat/MCT is really all you want from it.

Just make sure to get one with no PUFA. A lot of brands will take the easy way out and cut it with palm oil which you don't want.

I use organic refined spectrum.

[TubZy]

Oh yeah and forgot to answer, yes girls can take 5a-DHP just a way lower dose (a few drops or so and that is it).