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    Quote Originally Posted by h2s View Post
    Actual 1-Test has always interested me. My only concern is I heard the PIP is miserable, and I am not sure i would want to deal with that.
    If you can get 1-Test cyp or a base then I suggest you get it Just make sure to run enough test with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolazice View Post
    I would just pick up some Test E, Mast, Dbol, Var and save myself a bunch of money versus buying the wannabe's and the now rediculously overpriced Andro Series.
    Although I agree with your premise if I could get 1-Test either as a base or ester I would choose it all day for any hardcore AAS cycle the shit is that good imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    This is true, and also why Primordial's original 1-T topical was THE SHIT! All the benefits with virtually none of the negative side effects. The 5-DHEA and pregenolone wiped out any libido loss and lethargy.

    As we relate back to the AndroSeries, though, PP completely abandoned 1-DHEA because they couldn't mitigate the lethargy and loss of libido sides in AndroMass v1 with the dose of 4-DHEA. I've read others who have run Alpha Mass (1-DHEA) and Alpha Bulk (4-DHEA) complain that the 4-DHEA wasn't enough to mitigate the sides of the 1 isomer.

    That's why personally I'd recommend a low to moderate dose of 1, a high dose of 4 and a high dose of Epi. If you aren't getting killed with sides, increase the dosage of the 1-DHEA incrementally.

    Like you said, Ryan, the sides do suck. The lethargy is almost influenza-like at times.
    I can remember running 800-1000mgs of 1-Test in a TD for 8 weeks back in the day. Never solo though it was always stacked with 200mgs more 4AD so 1000-1200mgs. Add in TD 3aa and well lethargy didn't exist

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    If you can get 1-Test cyp or a base then I suggest you get it Just make sure to run enough test with it

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    Although I agree with your premise if I could get 1-Test either as a base or ester I would choose it all day for any hardcore AAS cycle the shit is that good imo
    That's what I keep hearing. Is a 1:1 ratio of 1-Test and Test E the correct amount to offset some of the PIP?
    Last edited by Coolazice; 12-06-2012 at 04:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    I can remember running 800-1000mgs of 1-Test in a TD for 8 weeks back in the day. Never solo though it was always stacked with 200mgs more 4AD so 1000-1200mgs. Add in TD 3aa and well lethargy didn't exist
    Talk dirty to me!!!

    How I miss days like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolazice View Post
    That's what I keep hearing. Is a 1:1 ratio of 1-Test and Test E the correct amount to offset some of the PIP?
    Ya, with test a 1:1 works best

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freepressright View Post
    Talk dirty to me!!!

    How I miss days like that.
    You and me both bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Ya, with test a 1:1 works best

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    You and me both bud
    Add one more to the club. 1 test cyp makes my mouth water though...

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    isn't 1-test supposed to be similar to tren without all the sides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by weekend View Post
    isn't 1-test supposed to be similar to tren without all the sides?
    I believe that is how Infamy described it.

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    All you guys talking about this and that makes me want to finally run some test and dbol.

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    Maybe with some var ran the last 6-8 weeks of a 16 week test cycle.

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