Yeah, still on it. Hasn't done anything for me.
Yeah, still on it. Hasn't done anything for me.
I use Swedish snus, ordered from Sweden for my nicotine habit. Been a snus/dip user pretty much my whole adult life. Didn't affect me in recovery negatively.
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Get the portion snus, not the loose snus. It's high in nicotine, it'll put you on your ass the first time you use it.
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I use Swedish snus, ordered from Sweden for my nicotine habit. Been a snus/dip user pretty much my whole adult life. Didn't affect me in recovery negatively.
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Get the portion snus, not the loose snus. It's high in nicotine, it'll put you on your ass the first time you use it.
It is not only stronger but it is healthier as well. Check out the research done on American tobacco versus Swedish tobacco on how they treat it. I use General snus occasionally.
I stranegley started smoking during PFS and its like a crutch for me
When im suffering from major fatigue a cigarette can bring me back to life, unsure as to what mechanism this is triggering though
Give it time I guess.Quote:
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Definitely maxout! I can imagine it would put you on your ass the first time! Yesterday when i attempted and went 13 hours without, i smoked an organic american spirit cigarette. (the gold pack, not the yellow pack). and that shit knocked me on my ass like no other! it was almost kinda funny lol!!!
for pfs, its the intoxicants that you have to stay away from. like alcohol and drugs. makes sense, and i learned that through hard experience years ago. no wonder. it would always set me back too, before i was even fully aware of my pfs. nicotine not so much.
and tubzy- i definitely remember what you told me. still never tried the nicotine gum. i few puffs on the vape, (blizzard boy flavor), which feels like crystal blue, original mentos flavor, hits the spot!
daniel- ironic you say that! i feel like i notice the same exact thing!!!
snell- definitely man. im not worried about it or complaining about it though. im still gonna finish the cycle, and then hopefully i can find something in the future that individually works for me better. i chilled out about all this stuff after i got the flu and the hurricane hit. i needed to. my flu is pretty much gone, and i weirdly seem to be in an upswing now. and during when i was sick too. veins came back too. digestive is its best ever again, for the last 3 days. and i havent even gotten my hands on any probiotics yet either. who knows. where im at now sexually, i seem to go through upswings and downswings all within the same baseline.
Just had an epiphany! It finally dawned on me. I had to write it down here before i forgot. Ive been saying things like "why are my veins slightly less prominent than they were before", and this and that, and all the other stuff. I just finally realized.
Its my schedule. Now im doing pretty much what im supposed to, im not perfect but i do alot and do my best, and over time i naturally learn more, as it is a learning curve as you go along, and implement more and more into it(the protocol).
But the same old routine. This particular job ive had for the last 6 months. It must be slightly wearing me out mentally. Physically no. Its not the protocol. What im talking about is the running around, the errands, and the two days of the week where i have to be up at 5am. Whereas the other days i dont have to be up until 7am, which is more natural feeling. Coming from a guy who once had "non-24" sleep disorder, due to slamming protein, calories, over eating, over working the digestive and adrenals, malnourishment, obsessive caffeine intake, etc.. all these things. All these things over time like the running around must be taking a toll.
Ironically when i got sick with the flu temporarily, my veins got crazy again, and libido even slightly increased. possibly because i was forced into taking a break from my crazy running around. Forced into relaxing because you get so sick you have no choice.
So i must figure something out. I cant stand going to the gym or doing HIIT after getting out of work at 3-4pm, having worked a full day standing on my feet and running around, and then having to commute back home, and still try to get it all in.
I need to find a way to get the gym and HIIT finished BEFORE i goto work on my work days. But without sacrificing sleep. Its tough as hell coming from a dude who was once easily prone to non-24 sleep disorder from PFS. I could still be sensitive to it too, if i dont watch what im doing.
So its my running around and schedule thats taken a toll over time, possibly causing these things for me.
Strangely my digestive has been really awesome in the last 5 days or so. I still have bad digestion from time to time, but alot of good days digestive wise. I dont think my digestive has ever been this good, considering how much i consume. hmm
Ive gotten some more meditation in too. One more time. I still suck at it, but i think im slowly hitting my rhythm towards learning it. Coppersocks and cd's breakdown of it a few posts back in my blog simplified it for me.
Gotta find a way to change my schedule. Get the workouts in before working an 8 hour day. Get it in fresh while the test levels are still high.
yeah during my cleanse i've been doing a lot of meditation. I'm not good at it either despite been doing it for 5+ years.
for adrenals lay down flat on your back on your bed. no pillows and just use holosync. if u dont have the dough you can rip it off youtube binaural beats
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been doing it 2-3 hours daily during my cleanse and reached some spooky deep levels of meditation. raised my awareness big time during those 'satori's'
Not to hijack the thread but I'd be interested in hearing more about your meditation experiencesQuote:
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well it's a long story. When I'm not cleansing though I do it in the lotus sutra which is the posture from my research that is most conducive to enlightened states. It's the posture that the buddha did. I just slowly trained my legs little by little to be able to do it. I listen to holosync, a solo chant from an enlightened sage, and theta waves when I meditate.Quote:
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During the holosync experiences focusing on my third eye, wim hof actually notes that through breathing you can release DMT. A potent psychedelic the body produces So I was doing this and see fractal patterns. Similar to my high dose mushroom trip.
I'll pepper more info in my thread if I have any more updates on that.
Also I've heard that 1 hour of meditation = 5 hours of sleep. So since sleep is unreliable during my crash i've been upping the meditation to get some sort of rejuvenation.
My sleep is a lot closer to normal now than it is when I first crashed but still not reliable yet.
I also use sleep cycle app so I can when I specifically wake up. I also sleep with bose noise cancellation headphones and pink noise through a stereo. I was actually a health nut before this happened so it's shitty that I crashed as I was already doing most of the protocol naturally. Just wasn't managing my stress that well which I think was the chink in the Armour and occasional drug use.
i'm a big fan of Dr. David R. Hawkins. His book Power vs. Force is amongst my favourites.
I meant interested in hearing about what it's like to meditate for three straight hours and what you experienced not how you actually do itQuote:
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oh sorry. didn't do three straight hours. I did 3 hours broken up into 1 hour chunks throughout the day :)Quote:
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I was going to say....three hours of straight meditation would probably have you in another dimension.....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by jacknap
I wonder why i haven't done this yet... on my to do. Because it does seem that there's some sort of threshold that needs to be destroyed to get into the deeper parts of the meditation so perhaps marathon sessions would be more fruitful...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
pfs mind-brain is one of the most monkey mind neurochemistrys I'd imagine...
Ive been putting more practice into this. I did so today.
I did for 15 minutes. After already having done breathwork. Its days like today that i have off from work, where i have the time to do it upon waking up in the morning. I actually followed coppersocks's method as opposed to Cds method of meditation because he had it somewhat more simplified. And ive always been the type to learn a different way. Even before pfs.
After about 14 minutes or so.. i started feeling it. It almost made me sleepy.
I dont know if this has anything to do with the way i woke up this morning, but i swear that short mediation session kept me calm all day. too calm. traffic didnt even bother me. it was almost like having brain fog, but it felt GOOD. if that makes sense.
i even fooled around with a girl today, and just from hugging her, and rubbing up on her from behind, had me 70% hard. its like i was just so calm from shit, that i didnt give a fuck about anything. and i had also went 8 hours without any nicotine, so maybe that could have contributed too.
But seriously, i will keep practicing this. ive always been slow with new/foreign concepts my whole life, but all u can do is keep practicing, and you eventually master it.
Well, yesterday my 6 week super r andro cycle came to an end. ran it from 400mg a day to 800mg a day, depending on the day. It didnt do anything for me. Nothing positive, nothing negative. Zero. But thats just me personally. Not bitching, whining, or badmouthing, etc. though. Just keeping my usual updates for myself and for everyone else.
Back to cycling the herbs again now.
I will be looking for the next related prohormone/anabolic/androgenic type of thing to cycle soon. It cant be just anything though, it needs to be something thats gonna convert the right way, and in a way thats beneficial for post-finasteride syndrome. I will not be looking to things like masteron, proviron, progesterone, DHT in straight up form, etc..., and all those other things that have been experimented with on forums like propeciahelp and other places for years. It has been proven that those types of things just make ppl worse in the end.
Whatever i choose to cycle, i will keep it updated and i will post here before i actually start something, just for feedback and safety reasons.
how many packages of r andro do u have to get to cycle? it's like 4 packs right? so like almost 300$ per cycle?
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I had 4 bottles. I paid a combined total of $220. I ordered my first two bottles from strong supplement shop online for $120, and i ordered the other two bottles from iron mag labs, for $100.
not too shabby! that'll probably be like 300+ canadian though for me with shipping plus our shit dollar.
I'm surprised u felt nothing? perhaps your system just needs a bunch of cycles cause it's so numb to shit.
Hahahah, i have my own theories, but that could be a good point! I love your enthusiasm by the way! Ive been following your thread and im rooting for you big time.Quote:
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Also ive been taking prolab horny goat weed again. For about 10 days consistently. In a few more days it will most likely stop working like it did back in the day and always has, and i would need to take a break from it. Its been working really well. Like it always has. Except for during downswings. Ive even been having morning wood a couple times from it. Nocturnal erections too. Some morning wood has been stronger than others. This is the only thing that has ever worked for me . But even THIS right here, is nowhere near a cure. It just gives me a slight boost. Not strong enough to give me spontaneous erections, but i could hug up on a girl or fool around, and get aroused quickly. With this right here, when its working, i can get 80% hard from merely just foreplay with a girl, and rubbing up against her. stuff like that.
This is exactly what it has in it.
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I got something for that ass!
After 8 long fucking years, i finally quit smoking!!! Its been over 3 days since i last smoked. And this time around it was nowhere near as difficult. The only thing in 8 years that could motivate me to quit was propecia and post-finasteride-syndrome.
Any other time i would try to quit, it was so much more difficult. You have to really want it. And if you do, its just like anything else. I feel no different. Better actually.
Well, its been awhile since ive posted in my blog. Alot of has happened!
Today has been a great day, besides the tired/slight lethargic feeling ive had for the last 2 hours. But today was the first time ive had a Saturday off from work in 8 months, and i used this opportunity to do my HIIT 100m dash sprints on the local high school track. Finally, i got to do them at a convenient time when i was well rested, well prepared, and there was nobody on the track but me. I set a PR of 11.97 seconds in the 100m dash!! Super happy about that! I needed this day!
Its been about a month in a half id say. I also just broke a 34 day no fap streak today.
Still have been doing the protocol, and still obviously havent drank/smoked, or touched anything. I dont plan to either, and im not stopping all the things ive been doing until fully healed.
Still rotating herbs, but about a month/ month in a half ago.. i started taking the old prolab horny goat weed capsules daily, that have always worked instantly for me. the dont bring me to pre-pfs level, but they do give me a big increase. also have been taking nutrabio tribulus daily. i might stop it daily after today, and just add it to the rotation. im also thinking of taking a break from the prolab horny goat weed capsules.
This time around, i had HUGE results from the prolab horny goat weed capsules. The other herbs (the ones on rotation from the protocol), still havent kicked in yet for me, even though its been 5 months of me rotating them, but i am one of the longest former users of the drug known as propecia, and i have been in this state for a very very long time. But its crazy though, because the prolab horny goat weed gave me greater results this time around, moreso than ever. And it lasted longer this time around, like about 40+ days, whereas in the past it would wear off after 10-12 days. Maybe its because im on the protocol, and have been on it, and im doing all these things.
I would notice some strange things, like on tuesdays and wednesdays, where im required to get up out of bed around 5am-545am ish, and if i got less sleep due to it, and woke up during a REM stage of sleep i suppose, i would goto work on less sleep, and be a shitload hornier during the day. Also drinking alot of coffee. so the extra caffeine, and horny goat weed capsules, and the days i got less sleep, my libido was through the roof. strange how that works on less sleep. but obviously i would prefer to get a full nights rest. and still had high libido during this time even on the nights i got a proper full sleep. but strangely it was even higher on the nights where i got less. one of
those days i got so horny, that i literally achieved a 90% erection from just a mental sexual fantasy. and on one of the other days, i think i even got a 50% SPONTANEOUS ERECTION. I think it was.. i mightve manually touched myself to get it a little bit... but i cant remember. i swear it was spontaneous though. And i was having alot more morning wood too. they werent strong morning woods, but more like half morning wood. but thats still better than nothing. and even more nocturnal woods. the nocturnal ones were stronger than the morning ones. after around 30 or so days, it seems like it finally wore off a little bit.
due to all of this, i was feeling as my baseline (sexual), may have finally moved up. it seems like it all wore off, and its back to where it was. maybe, maybe not.
Ive also been doing meditation more consistently. Actually gonna do it immediately after i post this.
Creatine- i used the con-cret hydrochloride creatine capsules for about 3 weeks until the barely ran out. I only have 3 capsules left, but i had to stop the night before yesterday. I felt the creatine work immediately. I was up 5lbs in water weight. Lifts didnt go up as much as i would have liked. They went up, barely, but these numbers are not anything i havent done in the past. but alot of times, the creatine would give me some slight lethargy/slight tiredness, some brainfog, one day i even had a mildly painful stomach cramp. and and re-gressed digestion. And i would have to wake up in the middle of the night to piss at least once everynight. So sleep quality went down. these may sound like side effects from creatine MONO-HYDRATE, but i was getting these from the hydrocloride. maybe its not for me. ive been dealing with the side effects consistently for the last 3 days. today they were partially reduced, since i stopped over 24 hrs ago. The pumps and extra 5lbs was cool though. But the side effects were a nuisance. so i stopped. thats just me though. digestion is important to me, and my digestion was getting really great before the creatine. i dont want that to regress.
A big key thing for me that ive been trying to do, which is still hard as hell for me, is to just stop thinking about propecia and this whole battle im fighting. try to just know that its been set, subconsciously do the protocol, and not think about it.
honestly, i try not to even visit the forums AS much. i dont want to be as obsessive with it. but ill still be on here quite often. i need it at this point.
So yeah... ups and downs!
Bro, the science already proved, if we sleep less in a day, it tends to increase the dopamine release, so it seems to justify the increase on libido, i already notice this increase like you, hence, i like to wake up even if i want to sleep more.Quote:
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I have some serious problems now, and i could really use the expertise of this forum more now than ever. I knew i was either doing something wrong, or something wasnt right in general. I had bloodwork done at my doctors a few days ago, and my total serum testosterone has dropped from 605 ng/dl to 479 nd/dl. The 605 ng/dl was from about 18 months ago. As of a few days ago, it is 126 points lower. The whole time, Ive been trying to increase my T, along with other things obviously. Very frustrating and disappointing.
I was feeling like crap starting about 2 months ago. Before then, i was feeling probably my best ever. Just minus sexual. At this time, i started taking creatine hydrochloride daily. I also took nutrabio tribulus terrestris daily at this time, and very high amounts of it. I was abusing it and eating that shit like candy. (the tribulus). I started having these tired and lethargic feelings every so often at this point too. And having to wake up once during the night, to piss. Every night. Its been going on long enough to the point where a few people I know recommended i get bloodwork done. My creatinine levels checked in particular, because my symptoms seems to match that. Well I hate labs, and ive been told that theyre irrelevant. And i agree, as i have become a person who believes in and goes by FEEL over anything. But I wanted to get my creatinine levels checked, and the doctors threw in a testosterone level check with that too. My labs were perfect 7 months ago, but my BUN was elevated. BUN is kidney related. After bloodwork results this monday, i was told the next day to get another lab done specificially for BUN. So i did, and it came back more closer to "normal".
So apparently my liver and kidneys are fine, but im still feeling not as good lately, and my total serum testosterone has dropped 126 points. I stopped abusing and taking the nutrabio tribulus alltogether a few weeks ago. And i stopped the creatine a few weeks ago too.
I always was a bodybuilding enthusiast, and i take in an extremely high amount of calories, and an excessively high protein intake as well. It always seemed to bulid my body. But maybe its too much and lowering my test? Maybe i was also "overtraining" too? Instead of just doing the 3 weight training sessions a week and 2 HIIT sessions a week, maybe i was doing more? (like 5 weight training sessions a week, and one HIIT session a week). Could be the excessively high protein intake? Maybe the tribulus abuse? I just dont know what to do.
Im all about beating PFS. I wouldnt be opposed to doing another fast, if that were the necessary route to go. Whether it be a 3 day fast, or a 30 day fast.
By the way, when i knew that i was getting my test levels checked, along with my creatinine, i did everything in my power the day of, to do what i thought would make my testosterone score higher. I was told not to fast for these labs. So I didnt. The day of, i got an okay sleep, 7-8 hrs, but woke up less energized, but not too terrible either. Went to the bathroom, system was flushed out, then did a cold shower, empty stomach, then coffee, then gym (benchpress day), and went to the doctors and had my bloodwork done immediately after the gym.
I just dont know what to do. I could use some major help for real this time. My testosterone dropped 126 points. That is not good. I am not being a whiny cunt either.
You took bloodtest after gym????Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
Come on. That would srew up all results for sure, not only about testosterone I guess.
I Italy it works this way: you should not eat anything for 8 hours before the test, sleep, wake up and go for the test.After gym all hormones and everything would be messed up because of the activity you have done.
You're supposed to get T levels checked in the morning too. It's normal for levels to drop later in the dayQuote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
and I guess even to drop after gym.......Quote:
Originally Posted by basementdweller
Don’t take trib everyday man, its fine in rotation but not everyday, ive read countless stories of it raising estrogen and causing gyno
Shiiit.. for real?
I thought your test levels increased after the gym. that good feeling you feel. and they told me not to fast. i have shitty insurance too. but i figured the levels would be higher after the gym. i guess i was wrong. i was up at about 630am that day i think.. and got my bloods done at about 1130am ish.
i still feel like complete shit though. my digestion has regressed too. im eating alot less too, to try to have less inflammation. its like i cant even eat a tiny amount of something without farting like crazy. the smallest thing will set it off. my test levels do feel like they did drop 126 points. i have this weird feeling in my head.
and yeah, i stopped taking the tribulus after 3 weeks.
You sure you're following this 100%....everyday?Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
Drop the tribulus, as you have. That's most likely what did that to you. Might even be beneficial to do a short fast again.
Definitely maxout.. i agree.. i think it was the tribulus that did that to me. im doing a 3 day juice feast (maybe longer) in the very near future.
And yes, cdsnuts, i would say im following the protocol 99.9% everyday. The whole protocol minus avoiding xeno-estrogens part i would say. Only reason for that is because of lack of convenience. i was told you literally have to purchase all of these things online? and for like $65? Money is tough. Time is even tougher than money. i barely even get time to do research online. lately i dont even want to read forums as much anymore, because ive been a little bit down. (as opposed to how i was before). i need someone to point out the right stuff for me, so i can just go in a store, quickly grab them, and be done.
I havent had a sip of alcohol, or done any drugs in almost 10 months!!! I havent smoked/vaped in over 2 months. quit that habit completely as well.
My diet is pretty damn good.. if it isnt, then i dont know what is. it is clean to the core. the only negative thing about my diet i could think of is the sugar in my coffee, and even then its such a miniscule amount. other than that there is zero sugar in my diet. (besides the natural sugars from fruits). i do sip alot of coffee, but i cut it off around 12pm-1pm.
it has almost been 6 months since ive been cycling herbs. in about 8 days it will be the 6 month mark. i havent responded to any of the herbs and prohormones. im not bashing them either. believe me, i wish i would respond to something!
i got impatient around the 4.5 month mark, so thats why i did what i did with the nutrabio tribulus and creatine. (most likely tribulus). but in the meantime, i never stopped rotating herbs.
if you guys can point out anything im doing wrong, then let me know. feel free to PM me, or comment, etc.
Congratulations on quitting smoking dude, that's badass.Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
Just buy some Dr. Bronner's soap at Whole foods. It's like ten dollars and lasts forever. And you can use it as soap and shampoo if you want.
I would just keep going with the program despite the setback. Before this episode, had you literally noticed zero improvement in well-being from all of this stuff? I don't see how that's possible..
Thanks man. Quitting smoking can be alot less difficult, if one can find a true reason to quit, like i did. Its gotta be more than just a cliche "oh i just want to better my health".
Thanks for the soap recommendation.
I saw great improvement in well being from the program. It was great. Up until 2 months ago, i was at my best EVER. march 2017 to about september/october 2017 has been my official best days ever. Just minus the same old zero sexual. im pissed at this setback. But none in sexual. strangely sexually im actually about 3% better than i was before the setback. i dont get it. its still shit, but a teeny bit higher lately. a very teeny bit, but i can notice something. still crap though. i hope i dont have some sort of liver/kindey/pancreas damage. i get these pings in my stomach area now. they dont hurt, but its a weird feeling. i cant describe it. my test levels definitely dropped from that tribulus overuse. im yawning all day and shit like that that. have this somewhat "sleepy" feeling at times. hate it. im doing another short juice feast soon. i almost want to jump on clomid for 3 weeks or some stupid shit like that. And i get the way i get sometimes, because i work hard, and its like i see another person seemingly respond to everything, while i respond to nothing. Im still going with it, but im anxious to try other things now too.
Sorry to read you’ve hit a wall KB, can I ask what are your current residual symptoms man?Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
the new symptoms from this last 2 month period from the tribulus abuse and creatine, or what the fuck ever are- tired/sleepy feeling alot. especially when sitting down or driving a care. its best for me to try to keep moving if i can. it does feel like a 126 point drop in testosterone points for sure.
waking up multiple times in the night to piss, or just go right back to sleep. anywhere from 1-3 times. it all started immediately when i started taking the tribulus excessively, and creatine. my sexual/libido is actually a tiny tiny bit higher. been having nocturnals and morning woods occasionally. and more daytime libido. energy is shit though, with occasional good days energy wise, but rare. before the setback, i was having super energy days, but shitty sexual. weak-decent MW's, but still better than nothing. just shitty energy levels in the day.
i would say before the setback... 99.9% of my symptoms were gone completely. 75% of the time my digestion had become perfect. just there was zero progress in the sexual department.
This is what I don't understand...when you say things like "I had my best months ever" "My well being was better then it ever was" "99%" of my symptoms were gone." How is that no improvement? I don't know how you're not getting anything out of this when you say things like that?Quote:
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From the outside looking in, it sounds like you're saying two completely opposite things at the same time?
So a lot can be put down to excessive use of tribulus and creatine, not everything but a lot, that’s obviously a bad move bro which was caused by a solo run gorging on supplements without advice, no doubt giving it time and avoiding repeat behavior, these symptoms will pass, in terms of your lingering sexual symptoms what’s the main problem there bro? What is it that hasn’t improved for you?Quote:
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For what it's worth, I've noticed that sometimes an improvement in one category can mean a temporary downswing in another category.Quote:
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For example, once I started making big strides mentally, I stopped getting the huge ridiculous testosterone boosts that were making me more muscular than ever. I think this has to do with hormones getting converted differently at different stages in the game.
It's possible that your mild sexual improvements are temporarily taxing other categories. Whether it's that, or Trib, or something else, I still don't see any viable alternatives other than continuing on.
I understand your frustration, but I dont see what choice you have. I would just relax, take it slow, and, like I've said before, be thankful you don't have the full spectrum of horrible sides..lol. 99.9% of sides gone?? I can't even imagine dude.