Jacknap's Road To Vitality

got invited to an old friends wedding.. dont really wanna go tbh but anyone have any tips on events like this where dinner is served? I guess i can just relax on the organic avoid gluten and avoid drinking

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Originally Posted by basementdweller

Anhedonia will improve alongside everything else. Trust me, the state I was in for a good 4 months, was an indescribable hell... completely numb emotionally and physically at times

Do stuff that motivates and excites you as often as possible too. Cold showers or swimming, drink coffee if you tolerate it, blast music, travel, buy a motorcycle, whatever. This is the time to be selfish, fuck everything else

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sounds good man. im confident it will go away if I stick to the protocol 100%. It's just that this symptom is so bizarre. Never even thought this could happen before you know? lol

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Originally Posted by jacknap

anehdonia went away before i even fasted at like 3 months in of herb cycling for me and it was really but but was also the quickest thing to fix for me. i couldn't enjoy anything except for food when i was really hungry.

in a bit of a down swing now though. face is a bit puffy again, sleep a little less restful and libido seems down. did wake up with really strong morning would but still feels a bit numb down below. probably handling this downswing the best i ever have tho

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thanks

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Originally Posted by Lakehouse99

sounds good man. im confident it will go away if I stick to the protocol 100%. It's just that this symptom is so bizarre. Never even thought this could happen before you know? lol




thanks

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Basement makes a great point.

You NEED to be selfish about getting your health back. If there was any time in your life to be that way, NOW is the time. This time is all about you....all of it. That's how important this is. The thing is, it might sound bad, but by taking this time and doing this for yourself, EVERYONE else in your life will benefit to the new strong, mentally balanced you. You being a better man, is better for every person you come into contact with in your life.

nasty down swing. woke up after 5 hours. will probably just take a power nap or two later on in the day if I feel I need.

face looks ugly as fuck too lmao. so puffy.

getting heart contractions like crazy at night. cortisol? low pottassium? should i supplement pottassium or add coconut water? they're quite painful. is this from pine pollen tanking pottassium?

libido very low and numb genitals.

also energy very low. seems my up swings and down swings are often like 2 weeks cycle. Felt great 2 weeks post andro and then now in a down swing.

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

Basement makes a great point.

You NEED to be selfish about getting your health back. If there was any time in your life to be that way, NOW is the time. This time is all about you....all of it. That's how important this is. The thing is, it might sound bad, but by taking this time and doing this for yourself, EVERYONE else in your life will benefit to the new strong, mentally balanced you. You being a better man, is better for every person you come into contact with in your life.

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I definitely prescribe to that philosophy. Gotta be strong yourself to take care of friends and family

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Originally Posted by Lakehouse99

I definitely prescribe to that philosophy. Gotta be strong yourself to take care of friends and family

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That's what this is ultimately all about.....for me it was, anyway.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

nasty down swing. woke up after 5 hours. will probably just take a power nap or two later on in the day if I feel I need.

face looks ugly as fuck too lmao. so puffy.

getting heart contractions like crazy at night. cortisol? low pottassium? should i supplement pottassium or add coconut water? they're quite painful. is this from pine pollen tanking pottassium?

libido very low and numb genitals.

also energy very low. seems my up swings and down swings are often like 2 weeks cycle. Felt great 2 weeks post andro and then now in a down swing.

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I would also use some supplemental magnesium. Do you have the natural calm stuff. What you're experiencing could be a symptom of all three. Honestly, I don't think the pine pollen is strong enough to tank potassium on it's own, unless you're super low coming off a cycle. On it's own, it wouldn't happen....

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I would also use some supplemental magnesium. Do you have the natural calm stuff. What you're experiencing could be a symptom of all three. Honestly, I don't think the pine pollen is strong enough to tank potassium on it's own, unless you're super low coming off a cycle. On it's own, it wouldn't happen....

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yeah I use everything u recommend on TMO. I use magnesium every evening.

Sleep was shit again today. Could only get 5 hours and layed in bed for like an hour couldn't get back to sleep so said fuck it I'll just enjoy the extra time. woke up with monster libido and morning wood tho.

past 2-3 days my hands have been really numb and fatigued. hoping it's just fatigue from hand work and lack of sleep.

got paranoid cuz i was having lemon water with shilajit in the morning which according to lost empire is a no go cuz it frees up aluminum in the shilajit. peripheral neuropathy? carpal tunnel? hopefully neither. didn't @hulk get something similar?

went to doctor and we did some tests on my hands and he thinks it's just strain from lifting and should be good in 2-3 days. hope so. gunna lay off shilajit for a week too just in case and not mix with citrus.

hope it's not related to that heart pain I had on/off. strangely it did seem to only happen during herb rotation from what I recall eeek.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

past 2-3 days my hands have been really numb and fatigued. hoping it's just fatigue from hand work and lack of sleep.

got paranoid cuz i was having lemon water with shilajit in the morning which according to lost empire is a no go cuz it frees up aluminum in the shilajit. peripheral neuropathy? carpal tunnel? hopefully neither. didn't @hulk get something similar?

went to doctor and we did some tests on my hands and he thinks it's just strain from lifting and should be good in 2-3 days. hope so. gunna lay off shilajit for a week too just in case and not mix with citrus.

hope it's not related to that heart pain I had on/off. strangely it did seem to only happen during herb rotation from what I recall eeek.

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Stop using a Kung Fu grip while masturbating.

Haha I thought that too when i read it 🤪

lol I don't really masturbate that often tho. maybe once a week or every other haha

might be from excessive swiping on bumble tho hmm...

did 15 grams of ashwagandha powder and that helped knock me out. So at least now I have two things that work. I think alibizia works for me too.

the ziziphus works for REM but not for anything else for me. Passionflower I don't think does jack. Kava seems to work but might have to up the dose.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

did 15 grams of ashwagandha powder and that helped knock me out. So at least now I have two things that work. I think alibizia works for me too.

the ziziphus works for REM but not for anything else for me. Passionflower I don't think does jack. Kava seems to work but might have to up the dose.

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Albizia works, but you got to choke down two TBSP's and it taste rough....but it definitely knocks you out.

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

Albizia works, but you got to choke down two TBSP's and it taste rough....but it definitely knocks you out.

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I use 15 grams alibizia. definitely works. ziziphus doesn't make me sleep deeper but does increase REM. used it last night and had an hour long morning wood!

upswing.

i was listening to ben greenfield podcast and he was saying that men actually get two testosterone pulses a month and I notice this a lot with pfs. my downswings are typically 2 weeks and upswings 2 weeks and each upswing is a little bit better. This one just started and my libido this morning was like pre-pfs.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

I use 15 grams alibizia. definitely works. ziziphus doesn't make me sleep deeper but does increase REM. used it last night and had an hour long morning wood!

upswing.

i was listening to ben greenfield podcast and he was saying that men actually get two testosterone pulses a month and I notice this a lot with pfs. my downswings are typically 2 weeks and upswings 2 weeks and each upswing is a little bit better. This one just started and my libido this morning was like pre-pfs.

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That's a great sign my man. Little by little....Pretty soon you'll be ready to write the adventures of Jacknap.....and, um...asking for a friend.....which app do you prefer and why....Bumble or Tinder?

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Originally Posted by Cdsnuts

That's a great sign my man. Little by little....Pretty soon you'll be ready to write the adventures of Jacknap.....and, um...asking for a friend.....which app do you prefer and why....Bumble or Tinder?

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Why not just use both? Tinder is better for quantity, bumble for quality. Imo.

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That's a great sign my man. Little by little....Pretty soon you'll be ready to write the adventures of Jacknap.....and, um...asking for a friend.....which app do you prefer and why....Bumble or Tinder?

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might as well both it doesn't take much time. I prefer tinder though because more people are on it. From most of my experience most of that shit is a numbers game and people are constantly trying to cut angles 'working smarter'

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Originally Posted by jacknap

might as well both it doesn't take much time. I prefer tinder though because more people are on it. From most of my experience most of that shit is a numbers game and people are constantly trying to cut angles 'working smarter'

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One of my boys was telling me that one of the apps the girls have to "like" you first, where as the other (not sure which is which) you just swipe whatever chick you want to get with.

This conversation for you is probably like what I feel like when I'm trying to explain how to use a smart phone to my parents....lol

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Originally Posted by basementdweller

tinder and bumble both create matches but the girl has to message first on bumble. I prefer bumble because it's more likely to actually go somewhere, hotter girls I find too

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I guess I'll just have to try both...

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it's really simple man. you're a smart guy i'm pretty sure if 18 year old bimbos can figure it out, you can lol. Surprised you haven't hopped on it yet. You can just spam the green heart button while you're working or something lol.

Sleep pretty pre-pfs with the help of sleep herbs today :D ziziphus+skullcap combo worked really nice. ziziphus gives me more rem and skullcap staves off the frequent wakes.

Which brand of ziziphus do you use?

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Originally Posted by jacknap

it's really simple man. you're a smart guy i'm pretty sure if 18 year old bimbos can figure it out, you can lol. Surprised you haven't hopped on it yet. You can just spam the green heart button while you're working or something lol.

Sleep pretty pre-pfs with the help of sleep herbs today :D ziziphus+skullcap combo worked really nice. ziziphus gives me more rem and skullcap staves off the frequent wakes.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

it's really simple man. you're a smart guy i'm pretty sure if 18 year old bimbos can figure it out, you can lol. Surprised you haven't hopped on it yet. You can just spam the green heart button while you're working or something lol.

Sleep pretty pre-pfs with the help of sleep herbs today :D ziziphus+skullcap combo worked really nice. ziziphus gives me more rem and skullcap staves off the frequent wakes.

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Lol

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Originally Posted by bizzbee

Which brand of ziziphus do you use?

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lost empire of course lol.

had 4 shots of vodka mixed with oj last night. used nac before bed. I feel fine and was also able to fuck this pretty sexy girl after the wedding after the vodka too.

overall i'm in an upswing so about 90% overall (while on the protocol though with supplements and everything would probably be lower off protocol

sleep 90% right now but it gets back during downswings. Now i'll just wake up once to pee than quickly fall back asleep or i miss that last stage of rem sleep some days now I actually sleep the way i used to though.

physically 95% though this wasnt a huuuge issue. still get some facial puffiness as I say that I think is more than just weight put on.

sexually 70%. I don't respond to porn as much as I used to. before the mere thought that i was gunna click on youporn i'd get a boner. now it takes like 2-3 mins to get into it (though I barely watch while on protocol). sexually I haven't had full erectile function in 3-4 months. just multiple rounds is hard but i'm having sex very close to as often as much as I used too. This is definitely the weakest recovery point though. sometimes it's very numb down there too. I get spontaneous erections and morning wood like 50% of days though :) my libido was extremely high before pfs though so I think it's actually equivalent to a normal mans now but not normal for me so still striving. My libido is a big part of identity and I drives me in other parts of life too.

mentally 97%. I'd say 100% but sometimes not as sharp mentally when my sleep also goes down. I'd say my ambition is also a bit lower in a way and also a bit of laziness but I think that might be more my life situation more than pfs.

I'm probably gunna get a downswing like a week or two as that's the way it seems to go for me.

Ordered 4 andro and r-andro and gunna hit cycle in july so looking forward to that as it's a new combo for me and it's what brought maxout's libido back which is pretty much my last huge symptom.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

lost empire of course lol.

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Of course.....only the best!

All this talk about dating apps makes me miss my dating days. Shame, shame...

I think Tinder was just coming around before I met my wife...

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Originally Posted by Maxout777

All this talk about dating apps makes me miss my dating days. Shame, shame...

I think Tinder was just coming around before I met my wife...

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I actually hate tinder because if you find one loophole in the system it's feast and if not famine. whereas before internet dating you get equal to the work you put in...

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I actually hate tinder because if you find one loophole in the system it's feast and if not famine. whereas before internet dating you get equal to the work you put in...

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Okay....I had a long day of work, but I don't think I get this? Care to elaborate?

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Okay....I had a long day of work, but I don't think I get this? Care to elaborate?

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I didn't get that either. Lol.

basically technology makes women's hypergamy exponential. eg) 1000 women all being attracted to the same one guy.

before technology it was more like 20% of guys got 80% of the attention. with techonlogy now it's 1% of guys getting 80% of attention (or worse)

similar with wealth now because of technology. middle class is eroding and the mega rich are becoming mega richer.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

basically technology makes women's hypergamy exponential. eg) 1000 women all being attracted to the same one guy.

before technology it was more like 20% of guys got 80% of the attention. with techonlogy now it's 1% of guys getting 80% of attention (or worse)

similar with wealth now because of technology. middle class is eroding and the mega rich are becoming mega richer.

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So in regards to your feast or famine anology, sometimes you're that guy, other times not, depending who is circulating around online?

Dude...I'm telling you. You should get into the pick up game in regards to marketing. Start it off as a side venture. I can tell you most guys here are probably like damn...." he get's laid ........alot." PFS be damned....

I'm going to play around with these apps, but imo, it's still the best to have the skill set to pick up women naturally, ESPECIALLY because of the way technology is.

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Originally Posted by jacknap

basically technology makes women's hypergamy exponential. eg) 1000 women all being attracted to the same one guy.

before technology it was more like 20% of guys got 80% of the attention. with techonlogy now it's 1% of guys getting 80% of attention (or worse)

similar with wealth now because of technology. middle class is eroding and the mega rich are becoming mega richer.

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I have to somewhat disagree...Tinder is a numbers game. The internet allows you to copy and paste the same message dozens of times over and over until a girl responds positively to it.

It's like you went to a bar and introduced yourself to every woman there instantly...except with tinder you've already isolated a group that's dtf. Getting laid has never been easier.

Your tinder pictures/bio should indicate that:

1) You are a normal member of society
2) You have friends
3) You are in shape
4) You can dress nicely
5) You have a sense of humor
6) A picture that shows you have interesting life experiences/hobbies (ie you surfing, or a picture of you in a different country)

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Originally Posted by DrivenToRecover

I have to somewhat disagree...Tinder is a numbers game. The internet allows you to copy and paste the same message dozens of times over and over until a girl responds positively to it.

It's like you went to a bar and introduced yourself to every woman there instantly...except with tinder you've already isolated a group that's dtf. Getting laid has never been easier.

Your tinder pictures/bio should indicate that:

1) You are a normal member of society
2) You have friends
3) You are in shape
4) You can dress nicely
5) You have a sense of humor
6) A picture that shows you have interesting life experiences/hobbies (ie you surfing, or a picture of you in a different country)

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For what it's worth, this is exactly how I feel. Instant options that have basically admitted they are down to get down, so to say.

All that said, I admit I have been the guy that girls usually like physically. Attachment 1556

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So in regards to your feast or famine anology, sometimes you're that guy, other times not, depending who is circulating around online?

Dude...I'm telling you. You should get into the pick up game in regards to marketing. Start it off as a side venture. I can tell you most guys here are probably like damn...." he get's laid ........alot." PFS be damned....

I'm going to play around with these apps, but imo, it's still the best to have the skill set to pick up women naturally, ESPECIALLY because of the way technology is.

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I've experimented with it and I think the reason why it hasn't / won't work out is. I'm decent looking so people will attribute it to that / I don't really do anything different than what the current instructors do so it's not like I have a unique selling proposition.

and @Driven i'm not surprised because most pfs tend to be on the better looking scale. hence we panic and hop on dangerous dht lowering drugs so we can preserve our looks.

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I've experimented with it and I think the reason why it hasn't / won't work out is. I'm decent looking so people will attribute it to that / I don't really do anything different than what the current instructors do so it's not like I have a unique selling proposition.

and @Driven i'm not surprised because most pfs tend to be on the better looking scale. hence we panic and hop on dangerous dht lowering drugs so we can preserve our looks.

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Yeah I've wondered if that also has something to do with higher DHT levels predisposing you to pfs symptoms.

Masculine jaw, thick facial/body hair, lean, vascular, mpb, high strength to weight ratio...all these are me to a T, and I've seen the same from a lot of you guys here.

I'm digging this convo.

@Driven....I can't even see where your hair was falling out or why you'd even need propecia.

Now I'm even more curious to see what this is all about. I guess it's time to make a profile.

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I'm digging this convo.

@Driven....I can't even see where your hair was falling out or why you'd even need propecia.

Now I'm even more curious to see what this is all about. I guess it's time to make a profile.

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Yeah I thought I was getting on top of things by taking it early lol. But I'm a diffuse thinner with longer hair so it doesn't really show in a picture.

For sure friend! What kinda lady you lookin for?

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Originally Posted by DrivenToRecover

Yeah I thought I was getting on top of things by taking it early lol. But I'm a diffuse thinner with longer hair so it doesn't really show in a picture.

For sure friend! What kinda lady you lookin for?

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Now that I'm single.....one that's DTF....lol. I'm going to have fun for a little while. I've been in a relationship for the past six years, so it's time to blow off a little steam...or alot of steam...either way.

I don't want to blow up Jacknaps thread though. We kind of took a turn here!

Looking like the gym is paying off btw way man.