Biatch following the protocol

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You are similar to me, I used both fin and RU. I only used RU for a small period of time after stopping fin, but during my two year use on fin, I felt like absolute crap and it continued after quitting (after quitting I felt the same exact way as I did while on). During the short time I used RU, I felt even worse, but if I would stop I would feel better in a day or two so I don't think it is RU related, it just increased symptoms even worse. If it was strictly RU related, about any AR agonist (preg is an AR agonist) would fix it.

If you read through my posts you will see I think preg and prog both have their places and I got superior results from high dose preg originally which subsided after a couple of weeks, which I assume to be now from in increase in androgens or the lowering of estrogen.

Regarding the drugs/supplements, no I don't think you need to be on them for life or anything like that. Your body has a positive feedback mechanism so if you are increasing certain biodentical hormones, your body is going to produce more of the enzymes associated with those hormones over time. It is shown in many studies, i.e. adding in bioidentical DHT increases 5AR, adding in pregnenolone increases the enzymes associated for metabolizing preg etc.

Same reason why people have been recovering after repetitive R andro cycles, as the enzymes associated with metabolizing androsterone are all increased.

Oh and to your last question, no I don't think receptors have anything to do with it anymore (I originally did about 2 years ago)

wow thanks for that. yeahI'm 90% sure it's strictly RU related AND/OR could be NMDA receptor damage from using strong stimulants during androgen deprivation causing possible glutamate toxicity cause I didn't have enough gaba to downregulate it?

i think the nmda receptor theory might be farfetched though because even after using LSD and modafinil before the crash I had a few days of normalcy.

so approaching it as a strictly RU problem would remeron alone or pregnanalone alone or R-andro alone be enough to recover? what kinda time frame we talking running it? 30 days? 90 days? 6 months? a year? two years?

i'm looking into doing a water fast ala cdnuts as well but I'm still slim 160lbs 6' 8-14% bodyfat. Still pretty muscular squat 200, dead 320 one rep maxes

I used 1ml 50mg RU one time and got sides right away and stopped and I'm like a norwood 1 so might have just went straight through my blood brain barrier. I was losing hair like crazy though so took it as a preventative and was persuaded by it's presumed safety compared to fin.

curious what your full protocol is and other things you found pivotal besides the b3, vitamin c, caffeine