Quote Originally Posted by BBG View Post
That's false though, what about ketones?

Fats can be turned into ketones, especially when on a low carb diet. MCTs are turned into ketones extremely readily. Fat can eventually be turned into carbohydrates, but it's actually a very expensive process in the body and one the body prefers not to do.

There are also 5 amino acids (phenylalanine, isoleucine, threonine, tryptophan and tyrosine) that are both ketogenic and glucogenic, so those can be turned into ketones as well. And lysice and leucine are exclusively ketogenic, which means they are only ever turned into ketones when necessary.



Yeah, I've never seen a fruit fast being a legitimate way to fast. Why overload the body with sugar? If anything, an all protein fast is best to spare lean muscle tissue and still have the body convert aminos -> ketones/glucose when needed.

Spiking insulin with an all sugar diet is crazy

Plus, if someone is eating carbs as their only source of energy, they can still go through de novo lipogenesis and create fat stores from those carbs. But they can't create amino acids/muscle from them.

You'd have a hard time arguing that digestion is such a burden while there are plenty of people on the planet who perform at incredibly high levels of athleticism while eating 1000s more calories than the normal person.
Yes, I’m well aware, but thank you. But like I said MOST, if not all cells use glucose for their primary energy source. With a juice feast, you’re not “overloading” the body with sugar….I can understand your concern if they were slamming four quarts of juice a day AND eating a regular diet…..THAT is where the problems arise do to fats and other material making the work of the insulin that much harder to shuttle the sugar into the cells. But when nothing else is in the system aside from simple sugars, the insulin spike isn’t anything to be concerned with. Secondly, they are doing this for a period of one to two weeks. It’s a cleanse, not a diet.

Bro….you’re in the propecia section now….A section that I’ve been running for the past five years or so.
And It's not false. ALL cells run on glucose and some amino acids. The brain may use ketones when it gets to that point, but the cells ALWAYS run on glucose.

Just because you haven't seen one doesn't mean anything. That’s the old medical model of thinking. I HAVE seen a myriad of successful juice feasts where people have beaten supposedly terminal conditions. My juice feast alone was 45 days and I felt amazing afterwards. Plenty of research out there if you take the time to look. Just because it may go against what the medical “norm” is now, that is simply because that “norm” is completely outdated and obsolete.

They are doing this to cleanse the system. Not spare muscle, not keep gains….that comes afterwords. In the state they are in now, they NEED to cleanse the system. An all protein fast would be a quick way to bog them down even more, especially seeing as most of them have digestive issues from pfs.

A juice FEAST is one of the healthiest ways to cleanse the system. An all protein fast? No way……not for this. That would be a disaster….lol. The point of the cleanse is to….well….cleanse, and that is exactly what the feast does impeccably. One of the worst things these guys can do would be do do an all protein fast…..my god.

Most of what the protocol is , isn't what you would call looked at with great admiration by the medical profession. That doesn't mean much. They want repeat customers for life. Why get them well on their own when you can have them chained to the prescription pad, which, ultimately, will just make them worse.

I appreciate the help, but you have to understand your audience here.....Doing this....is just going to confuse already scared and confused guys.
That's the thing....I don't want to, nor do I have to argue anything. We all know digestion takes up a HUGE portion of resources. And those plenty of people on the planet that perform at high levels, are athletes in peak condition, not guys that were decimated by a 5ar inhibitor. That’s like comparing apples to oranges. It doesn’t work.

Simple sugars are the easiest for the body to use because for the most part, they require little to no digestion. They also produce little to no cellular waste products.

When it comes to CLEANSING, juice feasting and water fasting are the best routes to go.
We have to tear down the old, and build up the new. And that’s exactly what this program does.
There is a reason why the list of recoveries here keeps growing when you’d be hard pressed to find them anywhere else.
I respect your knowledge on many subjects…..but when it comes to pfs…..I got this……not just based on my own experiences but based on the experiences of hundreds of other men I’ve coached successfully