oh no, hahahaha.. i meant my libido could change. hell no, im not hitting the gym during this cleanse. lolQuote:
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oh no, hahahaha.. i meant my libido could change. hell no, im not hitting the gym during this cleanse. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
Okay good....Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
I obviously read that wrong.
You want to just CHILL during the cleanse. Like you had mentioned, stretch, mobility work, as this is a good time to help release any tension you have in certain muscle groups as inflammation will be very low and trigger point therapy will be VERY effective during this time.
Anything you can do to move lymph fluid will be good as well. Long walks at a normal pace, skin brushing, massage, etc.
And, I know you're on this, but make sure to drink PLENTY of water along with the juices you're consuming.
One of my favorite juices, if you haven't tried it yet, is pineapple strawberry. it's kind of a pain in the ass to make because it gets very frothy when blended and squeezing it through the nut milk bag takes more time then say, the greens, but it is delicious.
Another favorite is watermelon celery. VERY hydrating and very good for electrolyte balance not to mention very easy to juice. It'll be one of the quicker ones you can get through the bag.
Maybe add one sentence to the site clarifying that the nut milk bag is for straining?
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I was thinking about that, but I really think once I post step by step pictures, it will be much clearer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrivenToRecover
Good ideas. The pineapple strawberry sounds delicious. I also hit up the vitamin shoppe. Got some sunfood super foods brand broken cell wall chlorella tablets, and super algae tablets spirulina&chlorella tablets.
Day 2 of juice fast.
Went to bed at 1pm and got up at 830pm. Woke up with okay energy, but now im feeling kind of light headed, and my face feels like its flushing. At the moment. This non-24 sleep disorder is really getting me down. Im nocturnal as i do this juice feast/fast. I was talking to a buddy on the phone, technically earlier today, and it just made me feel like shit about myself. Is quite debilitating. Its been going on too long. I just want this healed once and for all.
I can't go on like this anymore, with this non-24 sleep disorder bullshit in my life. its gonna be out of my life forever.
Hey, if it makes you feel any better my sleep was totally fucked when I got off Fin last year. I'm talking waking up in the middle of the night to panic attacks bad. It's much better now. I still wake up at 7am sharp without an alarm and the sleep isn't quite as deep as I'd like, but I can get a full 7-8 hours of rest through the night. Just stick with it, buddy. Also, try not to look at too many screens. Reading more books actually helped me a lot.Quote:
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Thanks man. I feel better now actually. Feeling semi decent. Crazy mood swings earlier... the headache and slight nausea and other symptoms went away. Face still feels slightly flushed, but its not too bad. I just read online that these are the typical detox symptoms. They passed. I guess theyll come and go
End of day 3/day 4ish. (i dont know what the hell day it is anymore, cause of the continuous rotation of the non-24 sleep disorder). Feeling okay, but numb. just taking it easy, doing stretches here and there, and staying relaxed. not a fan of fasting really, i love eating and lifting. ive lost some weight for sure. will update later.
Most people don't like fasting as there's really nothing enjoyable about it. It's a means to an endQuote:
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for sure! in the meantime, as always, im constantly doing my research. i was reading on herbs and epigenetic change. (a link you posted. i forget where though). i cant wait for this fast to be over. im really excited for the herbs and andro. i can just feel it.Quote:
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Lol. All in good time. Just don't underestimate the power and importance of a good cleanse.Quote:
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I find it helps people doing their cleanse to read experiences of other long-term juice feaster's.
You can find plenty online
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Update on the juice feast
- So im guessing its the end of day 5. Feeling like ass! But im dealing!!
And also, i just purchased 7 of the herbs.
ant extract
cistanche
ashwaganda
butea superba
pine pollen tincture
catuaba bark
cordyceps
So those are my first 7 i will start off with. I was trying to get He Shou Wou, tongkat ali, and organic mucana extract, but they were currently out of stock at lost empire herbs. I hope they restock soon. i put my email on their waiting list.
My top three are tribulus, tongkat and maca.
I think catuaba gives me a different kind of libido, let's say tribulus give me libido deep inside like everything gets better regarding libido. Catuaba is more like mental libido, just my brain gets more driven to search for girls, it's hard to explain.
Ashwaghanda I heard mixed results, some people don't like it. I never tried though.
Interesting stuff. You've always said tribulus worked quite well for you. the prolab brand of horny goat weed gave me some decent benefits, with whatever it had in it. And ive also responded quite well to maca too. I still have some of my sunfoods superfoods brand of maca powder left... it gave me a good response libido-wise, but occasionally it upset my stomach.
Ashwaghanda is one of my favorite herbs, btw. It has a very calm, relaxed alpha feel to it without being too aggressive.
Maca is one of my least favorites.
Yes, i love that calm relaxed alpha feeling!! Whenever ive had that alpha feeling and really agressive at the same time, it always seemed to give me anxiety and mania. not good!Quote:
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End of day 5 or 6 of my fast. (idk due to the non 24 sleep disorder, which has naturally shifted back to a normal end as it was naturally headed even before i started my fast. got up at 3am. now im setting my alarm permanently for 3am so i can fight it.)
Feeling numb, but quite optimistic today. It's strange.
Can you elaborate on the numb feeling?Quote:
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Just tired. Food cravings arent as bad, but still hungry.
Thanks man I appreciate that! But I made it!! =)
So today, just now, i broke my fast!! I must say this has been an intense but awesome experience.
I'm just glad it's over. I do feel really refreshed now actually. But at the same time, I hate fasting, and i prefer to be in the gym, and on my diet, and getting my calories/macros in. I've never been a huge fasting enthusiast, lol. Just by looking at myself in the mirror, i mustve lost about 10lbs. I don't even want to weigh myself right now lol. I'm a naturally pale white guy, so i hate my classic "pale/skinny" look. its just getting in my head. Time to gain my weight back!
I can however, see the point in fasting though. - Cleanse/refresh/reboot, etc.
On day 1 1/2- or day 2, i seemed to have a decent spike in testosterone, and that felt awesome. Cock was hanging lower than usual that day. Ill admit i kinda got too horny and whacked myself off twice during that day. Couldnt help myself lol. (I gotta get back on a noFAP rhythm. I went 23 days without a few months ago, thinking it was the be all end all cure. While i DID get some good results for that, i got frustrated at the time because it wasnt the "entire" cure. But it did give me some good results though.) But thats what ive naturally learned recently, that the cure is everything all tied in at once. Not a pharma drug (magic pill), or just doing one part of the program. It's everything in conjunction. Makes sense too.
After that spike in testosterone, i noticed the detox symptoms around the next day. I had the runs a few times, and felt sick/light headed. But it passed, and my cravings and hunger werent as bad. But my cock was looking like a noodle, for alot of it, (after the spike). And maybe cause i whacked myself off after it. But thats understandable because thats how it usually is for me... when my body is not getting its normal needed nutrients, and im not hitting the gym, its always done that. Less blood flow.
But i feel good as fuck right now, and im glad its over!!
You only went 23 days on no fap. The absolute minimum is 90 days to see real benefits. There also will be a flatline period the deeper you get into it. I'm day 68 currently. Will never do it again in my life. Either sex or wet dreams for me.
Yeah i don't think its good to refrain from masturbation for THAT LONG. I mean what happens when you finally do have sex with a girl again and cum? Does that end your streak too? Im just gonna go on a once a week, or once every two weeks basis.
Apparently sex is different as different hormones are released. But I think it's also important for us early days to not over do that too.
I am not seeking that out at the moment at this point in my recovery so it's wet dreams or nothing for me.
I have a feeling this is a relatively big piece of the puzzle for us.
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I think you're right. Less jacking off is a big piece of the puzzle. It actually contributed to my 70% recovery back in november 2016. Along with Prolab's horny goat weed. However though, I will never say I am 100% until I can get a 100% spontaneous erection without having to touch myself. Whether it be from a sexual visual thought, or looking a picture of a hot woman that you may like or whatnot. I believe it goes, in order from least difficult to achieve to most difficult to achieve- 1- an erection from foreplay with a girl (which i got back in november), 2- an erection from a sexual thought, or looking a picture, 3-an erection from nothing at all, like the wind blowing up against your cock. ALL OF THESE WITH ZERO MANUAL STIMULATION!
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You'll get that ability back before youre 100%, most likely. I have spontaneous erections from time to time now from all three of those types you described, and I'm not all the way back yet. I'd say 85-90%. If that makes you feel any better.
That makes me feel good! I liked hearing that. That's where its at. Thats being healed and feeling good!!!! Once again, congrats on your progress Maxout777!Quote:
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Well 5 of my 7 herbs just came in today. This was the batch from lost empire herbs! That was quick!! I have black ant, pine pollen tincture, ashwaganda tincture, cistanche, and cordyceps.
I'm still waiting on 2 more, which are catauba bark, and butea superba. those two were from amazon, and theyre being shipped from Europe I believe. But i got the confirmation email today, and it was finally deducted from my debit card, so they should be here soon. i will wait till i have all 7 and then ill begin. each week im going to acquire at least 1 more herb, with each paycheck hopefully! I'm excited!
I just put an order in too. I'm in Australia so they will probably take a bit longer to arrive for me. But I'm looking forward to taking the pine pollen (pending that I get the all clear to take it with my asthma).
Awesome man!Quote:
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For me personally, and knowing how i am, i literally feel like the herb cycling and dht based prohormones are going to be the two main things that do it for me. Like that gut feeling. Well, those are simply two things ive never done. I say this because ive been athletic my whole life, and have always had a fairly good diet. Minus gluten and few other things. I've always cheated from time to time too. Everything shall work in conjuction though. I mean there are also alot of things ive never done before this, like cold showers, and some other things. By the way, i love the adrenaline rush from the cold showers!!!
The herb rotation is going to take you to another level in regards to hormones.Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
So will the DHT prohormones.
It's ADDICTING!!! Little by little, cycle after cycle, you will gain more and more benefits and your baseline will increase.
Depending how bad you are, this may take months, or years, but it WILL happen. You WILL be cured. And then, the best part, IMO.....keep DOING IT. You'll go further and further ...more then you thought possible. You will end up feeling absolutely unbelievable.
Them cock gains are where its at! Ive already got the physique. But an extra 10lbs of permanent lean muscle also would be sweet too!!! Permanently increase cock baseline, and muscle baseline! I can't wait to go bald. I technically should have been fully bald about 5 or 6 years ago. Get a tan. Wear a bandanna or a do rag. One of those biker bandanas, or maybe a ghetto ass DMX style doo rag. hahahaha. Get the line up- on the goatee and sideburns. Im just gonna embrace it.Quote:
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Cock gains? Lol.....um....Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
I will say this.....It is one of THE most liberating feelings for a guy that has been worried about his hair to just shave his fucking head and be done with it.
Then you can run all the DHT prohormones you want and not have a single care in the world. Great feeling.
I meant erectile/libido gains. Lololol ;)
Lol.Quote:
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I was thinking you were saying like you were "cock D" That type of thing. Or, I could just be totally showing my age....
How highly recommended is the prohormone cycle? Would the herb cycling be good enough for us to recover (along with everything else).
As mentioned in several other threads the protocol is all you need to fully recover given enough time. That being said, proper prohormone use will speed the recovery process up considerably if you can tolerate them.Quote:
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Update- Been back in the gym for roughly 10 days. Already made a shitload of progress. On my usual level. Feeling great at the moment. I would say im already 35%-40% ish. Feeling like i was from october/november 2016.
Been hitting my usual gym routine, and 2x a week doing HIIT sprints. Also taking cold showers and loving them (got up to 60sec of cold water =) ) . The cold showers and sprints are becoming addicting! Hell EVERYTHING has been addicting.
Also got another no fap streak going. Im on day 6. Feeling great. Usually starting around day 4 or day 5, my junk tends to hang lower all day, all the way until day 12 ish. Ill probably whack my shit off after day 14 or day 15. Seems to be my sweet spot.
Been eating paleo and exactly as CD has recommended. And carb backloading most of the time. Some days i cant though due to my work schedule.
Been taking spinurella and chlorella everyday, and vitamin d3 10,000 IU two times a day. Also taking some magnesium calm powder a few times a week. (if i could get my hands on the chewable magnesium citrate from cape cod organic market, that would be ideal. That shit was like viagra for me almost, no lie. but that kind is rare, and it pisses me off. it was so good.) Also have been taking prolab horny goat weed a few times a week. It always helped me.
Looking into taking fish oils again, but i think i had a bad effect from it. However, this was when i was not in the gym, and going through depression, and out of shape (for me), and not on my diet. So i dont know what to think about fish oils yet.
Got 6 out of my 7 herbs already. Just waiting on the butea superba... fuck you amazon... i ordered both the superba and catauba bark at the same time, but theyre saying the fucking superba wont be here till april 6. how fucking inconvienent. Go fuck yourself amazon. Making me wait. Lets get the fucking ball moving already!! I'm already almost 31 years old, and lost over a decade to this shit. And wasted legitimate fantasy women. I want at least 7 to start the rotation with. Funds are low at the moment, but ill be set again in 2 weeks.
Guys, for future reference... when getting your first batch of herbs to START the rotation with, try to just order your first 7 from lost empire herbs. It will take like 3 days for them to arrive, and you will get them all at once too.
Thats about it for now. Will update later. I could be feeling different later, but this is how i am feeling at this very second! =)
Oh and btw... i was talking to maxout777 about black coffee. I cant stand black coffee... and i prefer at least a tiny bit of sugar in my coffee, and a tiny bit of creamer. I never get fat either. Would the sugar/cream hurt me? would it go against the concept of this protocol? I tried black coffee but i just dont like it. But i dislike PFS even worse.
I think it's best to just grin and bear the black coffee. You're doing everything right so one more sacrifice won't be the end of the world.
Very good point! Thank you!Quote:
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Very good point! Thank you!Quote:
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