Been a long time coming! Overwhelmed and don't know where to start.

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Originally Posted by Snell1234

I reckon do the herbs for 2 months first, taking the pine pollen powder everyday. It's better to take the r andro when your hormones are up.

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Agree, and look if physically at the gym you are doing good and also your digestion is good, sleep, etc. it only means one thing: you are right on the track!

Focus on the meditation and try no fap for one month. I personally would use that money and invest it in good food, and well being. Give it two months and see then if you need the r andro. You seem to be doing good, but must keep it up. What I noticed is that doing the protocol for 1 day, 1 week, 2 weeks its easy. The hard part is the enduring a 100% in the long run: 6 months/ 1 - 2 years. Thats where the true grit shows.

Keep on brother, you can make it.

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Today is my payday from work!

I don't know what the hell it was that was causing my veins to not be as vibrant, but it definitely wasnt the pine pollen powder. So i got back on the PPP for daily use yesterday. While still doing the 1-herb-a-day rotation the whole time. I think i know the answer to why my veins are slightly "less" lately-----My veins are still good, but before they were more veiny than ever, because of all the euphoria i had when i discovered this protocol. Now, my mood is slightly down, (but not super bad or depressed), because i now know what ive gotten myself into, and that this is gonna be a LONG fight, like a marathon.

I'm doing well, constantly getting better in the gym. Almost back to my old look and old "genetic potential"... about 85% there already actually. Took longer this time, because that 15 day fast was longer than i thought! It makes a 7 day fast look like nothing!!

I think i have mastered breath work! It has helped. It definitely is ideal to do so upon waking, and right before bed if you can. I get it in a few times a week. I looked up eckhart tolle on youtube about meditation. Cheesy dude, but he is definitely in the moment. His videos can be long and very hard to understand for me though. I just have to learn how to meditate. It will take some adjusting just like the breath work did.

My dick has been in a major downswing lately too. Still havent noticed any progress on the sexual side yet. Everything else seems good though. Digestive system has been great, and seems to get better everyday. It has been almost 5 weeks since breaking my fast.

So question.... payday today..... Should i go ahead and order the Super andro rx and start a cycle? And is there another product i need to use while taking it, like something for the liver/kidneys? I heard you were supposed to stack something with it. Would it be too early to start the cycle?

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It's not a methylated prohormone so you will not need liver/kidney support on cycle. Especially if you keep up the clean diet, abstain from alcohol, aka the protocol, while on cycle.

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Agreed fellas! I appreciate the feedback.

Actually immediately right before i read your posts, i came to this conclusion on my own already, after thinking about it some more. Its been roughly 5 weeks since the fast. I have decided i am going to wait 3 more weeks until i start my cycle. Therefore then i will be at the 2 month mark. I know i said i was at 85% of my old "natural genetic potential"... id say im really at more 66% ish. Two thirds! Just by measuring my weight, numbers in the gym, and my overall "look". Im feeling great, but im going to let my hormones get back to full status before starting the prohormone cycle. Also it will give me some more time on the pine pollen powder.

No fap.. been doing well with that lately. Doing it on my own! I seem to be able to make it anywhere from 5-15 days. Im trying for 30 days this time. I had to let loose today... i got a huge testosterone boost from the gym. Good workout, and some hot girls in there.

And meditation... you know what? Now that i think about it, i think i HAVE BEEN meditating alot this whole time. Like today for instance. I have these moments where i "ZEN THE FUCK OUT"... like ill sit in my back yard, in my chair...with my eyes open, just staring at whatever the hell is out there, and just daydream and zone out. Would you call that meditation? Seems like it i guess. Not sure. But i DO do that alot of times. Especially when im feeling good.

And thanks Maxout! I will just use the Super r andro alone, when the time comes in 3 weeks. And definitely continue with the diet, protocol while doing it. I havent touched alcohol since november of last year. You know whats funny... i was always into bodybuilding/fitness... even before i fully became aware of my PFS, and if i ever drank alcohol... it always set me back a little bit. I would lose some gains in the gym. I went 8 months at the longest one time. Now i could care less about drinking/smoking, etc!


Wait a minute... did you guys say to wait 2 months from NOW to start the prohormone, or just 2 months in general, like after breaking the fast?? ........ .......I first interpreted the later, before i went back and re-read your posts.

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Agreed fellas! I appreciate the feedback.

Actually immediately right before i read your posts, i came to this conclusion on my own already, after thinking about it some more. Its been roughly 5 weeks since the fast. I have decided i am going to wait 3 more weeks until i start my cycle. Therefore then i will be at the 2 month mark. I know i said i was at 85% of my old "natural genetic potential"... id say im really at more 66% ish. Two thirds! Just by measuring my weight, numbers in the gym, and my overall "look". Im feeling great, but im going to let my hormones get back to full status before starting the prohormone cycle. Also it will give me some more time on the pine pollen powder.

No fap.. been doing well with that lately. Doing it on my own! I seem to be able to make it anywhere from 5-15 days. Im trying for 30 days this time. I had to let loose today... i got a huge testosterone boost from the gym. Good workout, and some hot girls in there.

And meditation... you know what? Now that i think about it, i think i HAVE BEEN meditating alot this whole time. Like today for instance. I have these moments where i "ZEN THE FUCK OUT"... like ill sit in my back yard, in my chair...with my eyes open, just staring at whatever the hell is out there, and just daydream and zone out. Would you call that meditation? Seems like it i guess. Not sure. But i DO do that alot of times. Especially when im feeling good.

And thanks Maxout! I will just use the Super r andro alone, when the time comes in 3 weeks. And definitely continue with the diet, protocol while doing it. I havent touched alcohol since november of last year. You know whats funny... i was always into bodybuilding/fitness... even before i fully became aware of my PFS, and if i ever drank alcohol... it always set me back a little bit. I would lose some gains in the gym. I went 8 months at the longest one time. Now i could care less about drinking/smoking, etc!


Wait a minute... did you guys say to wait 2 months from NOW to start the prohormone, or just 2 months in general, like after breaking the fast?? ........ .......I first interpreted the later, before i went back and re-read your posts.

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Two months after starting the herbs and normal protocol.

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Two months after starting the herbs and normal protocol.

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Thanks Durantia! Will do! 3 weeks from now it is!! I am almost ready. I cannot fucking wait. This will be my first time ever doing a prohormone cycle. Over the last decade, i have maxed out naturally in the gym so many times. Ive always loved bodybuilding and training in general. I have a physique goal and a sexual goal. And of course the overall goal is conquering PFS, but its literally all tied in! This is so exciting! Ive had this image in my head of what i want to look like physically, and be like sexually, for at least 9 years now. This is it! Hope your progress has been going well durantia!

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Thanks Durantia! Will do! 3 weeks from now it is!! I am almost ready. I cannot fucking wait. This will be my first time ever doing a prohormone cycle. Over the last decade, i have maxed out naturally in the gym so many times. Ive always loved bodybuilding and training in general. I have a physique goal and a sexual goal. And of course the overall goal is conquering PFS, but its literally all tied in! This is so exciting! Ive had this image in my head of what i want to look like physically, and be like sexually, for at least 9 years now. This is it! Hope your progress has been going well durantia!

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keep up that positivity bro, you got this. you have a lot of reasons to be psyched. keep grinding it.

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Thanks Durantia! Will do! 3 weeks from now it is!! I am almost ready. I cannot fucking wait. This will be my first time ever doing a prohormone cycle. Over the last decade, i have maxed out naturally in the gym so many times. Ive always loved bodybuilding and training in general. I have a physique goal and a sexual goal. And of course the overall goal is conquering PFS, but its literally all tied in! This is so exciting! Ive had this image in my head of what i want to look like physically, and be like sexually, for at least 9 years now. This is it! Hope your progress has been going well durantia!

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You're gonna love it man. Just make sure to get plenty of carbs and protein.

It is all in the adrenals for me personally! Could secondly be neurological, but if my adrenals are rested, I have zero problems. I had a great rhythm going for the last few months. Despite zero sexual improvement, I would literally jump up out of bed alive, and energized like a mofo. Those days were amazing. Lately I've been mentally fatigued. Digestive system is great. I don't think it ever was bad actually. Adrenals!


Holy Sh#t!

I woke up today with adrenal fatigue and slight brain fog from my recent work schedule, and just now i did some more breath work, and it literally saved my day. in a matter of minutes it completely turned everything around. brain fog gone, huge testosterone boost, euphoric pulses, slight increase in libido, all this good stuff. Holy fucking shit! I am raging over here now, i feel ALIVE. i feel like i could destroy someone right now! hahaha

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It is all in the adrenals for me personally! Could secondly be neurological, but if my adrenals are rested, I have zero problems. I had a great rhythm going for the last few months. Despite zero sexual improvement, I would literally jump up out of bed alive, and energized like a mofo. Those days were amazing. Lately I've been mentally fatigued. Digestive system is great. I don't think it ever was bad actually. Adrenals!


Holy Sh#t!

I woke up today with adrenal fatigue and slight brain fog from my recent work schedule, and just now i did some more breath work, and it literally saved my day. in a matter of minutes it completely turned everything around. brain fog gone, huge testosterone boost, euphoric pulses, slight increase in libido, all this good stuff. Holy fucking shit! I am raging over here now, i feel ALIVE. i feel like i could destroy someone right now! hahaha

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Breathwork when done properly and consistently is life-changing.

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Breathwork when done properly and consistently is life-changing.

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Seems so!! It really is that fucking powerful! I love it!


My veins have been disappearing lately and its pissing me off. I always had some crazy veins. I think im slightly allergic to pine pollen powder, and especially the high daily doses of it. A few times in the beginning, about 2 weeks ago, i would take a hit of it, (like i do all of my other herbs), and it would almost cause me to get slight congestion and a stuffy nose. Im contemplating stopping it again for now. It personally hasnt helped me sexually or in any other why. I dont know why. I will say from reading the boards, it definitely helps alot of other guys tremendously. Most likely, 90% of men who try pine pollen powder will get great benefits from it. Maybe its my genetic makeup.

Personally, i still like the other herbs, and the 1-herb-a-day cycling regimen. I think its better for me personally. I never stopped that either. Im up to 13 now.

Despite seemingly zero progress on the sexual end, what honestly works best for me is getting a good nights sleep, cold showers, gym, HIIT sprints, good music, breathing/meditation, not overworking the digestive system, clean paleo diet, carb backloading, sun exposure, caffeine, etc. and other natural things like that. However, my sexual function has not gone backwards, either.

I am literally one week away from super andro rx. i basically have my old physique and levels/numbers back almost. this training game aint nothing new to me!

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Seems so!! It really is that fucking powerful! I love it!


My veins have been disappearing lately and its pissing me off. I always had some crazy veins. I think im slightly allergic to pine pollen powder, and especially the high daily doses of it. A few times in the beginning, about 2 weeks ago, i would take a hit of it, (like i do all of my other herbs), and it would almost cause me to get slight congestion and a stuffy nose. Im contemplating stopping it again for now. It personally hasnt helped me sexually or in any other why. I dont know why. I will say from reading the boards, it definitely helps alot of other guys tremendously. Most likely, 90% of men who try pine pollen powder will get great benefits from it. Maybe its my genetic makeup.

Personally, i still like the other herbs, and the 1-herb-a-day cycling regimen. I think its better for me personally. I never stopped that either. Im up to 13 now.

Despite seemingly zero progress on the sexual end, what honestly works best for me is getting a good nights sleep, cold showers, gym, HIIT sprints, good music, breathing/meditation, not overworking the digestive system, clean paleo diet, carb backloading, sun exposure, caffeine, etc. and other natural things like that. However, my sexual function has not gone backwards, either.

I am literally one week away from super andro rx. i basically have my old physique and levels/numbers back almost. this training game aint nothing new to me!

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good to hear the progress man, just wanted to give you some of my experience with training- everyone's different of course but just something to consider.

I used to work out too much without really realizing it. I'd feel good and only go for an hour 4/5 times a week, but it was just too much for my body looking back. if you don't feel bad that's a good sign, but I definitely pushed myself too much at times and that can be super counter productive, especially in this time of recovery when we need it most.

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good to hear the progress man, just wanted to give you some of my experience with training- everyone's different of course but just something to consider.

I used to work out too much without really realizing it. I'd feel good and only go for an hour 4/5 times a week, but it was just too much for my body looking back. if you don't feel bad that's a good sign, but I definitely pushed myself too much at times and that can be super counter productive, especially in this time of recovery when we need it most.

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Good point. Agreed. Funny you say that, because this girl i sometimes talk to at work, and she knows me fairly well by now, she says to me that the reason ive been fatigued lately because ive been overdoing it in the gym.

I was told in the beginning that my current training program was okay.

Well i always trained like this, for a decade. I could do 20 rep squats with heavy weight and not even get fatigued or sore. I dont even get sore anymore!!! Not even my LEGS!! I just get pumps all over my body, develop and build muscle, and actually feel REALLY GOOD. But lately my sleep has been not as good.

However, i am considering this. I do agree with you alot actually. As a matter of fact, tomorrow, i think im just going to take the day off from the gym, completely, and just solely focus on relaxation, the mind, peacefulness, breathing and meditation. Im already kicking ass with the breath work!

I might post some recent pictures of how my physique is looking. As much as im into bodybuilding and it would seem like i over do it, im usually only in the gym from 30-45 minutes. Im in and out.

Its all in the adrenals and cock for me. And thats "real talk"! I literally master my own mind and body more and more everyday. The power is in my own hands. I get closer and closer each day. I feel it

Im ordering R andro next monday.

I've always had the "mind-to-muscle-connection". Its a very real thing! It's true. Now for me, this gym game has now become more than the gym game, it has become the propecia battle. That whole gym thing for the last decade was just merely a piece of the puzzle. It was one of the few positive things i was doing the whole time, during that decade of malnourishment. So i keep it now, along with everything else, and all the new things. Its the propecia mind to muscle, mind to mind, and mind to cock connection now! I dont care how goofy or weird that sounds. Im for real! I have alot of personality too. I may talk too much, but i dont care. Id rather be me than be a robot.

This breathwork has really helped me out alot. I honestly dont even give a shit about my "symptoms" anymore. Im working on meditating too. A good friend of mine whom i grew up with, sent me a bunch of text messages, breaking down the process of how to actually meditate, so im gonna be trying that later on today.

Im not over analyzing and thinking about my symptoms too much. I honestly dont even give a shit as much. Breathing has helped out so much!!! I still feel good otherwise. But at the same time, that doesn't mean i dont want my sexual function to come back. It's still my top priority, but it feels good to have some relief, and to not have all this anxiety over it anymore. I suppose the anxiety will come and go, with the ups and downs, but im feeling better.

I've paid my dues. I dont have the old worries anymore. The stupid ass fucking worries of "oh, am i doing this wrong? or am i doing that wrong?" I am finally past that beginning stage/initial learning curve of where you think "you're not doing it right" type of shit. I know i am doing it all 100% naturally. I could do a little bit better on the avoiding xenoestrogens chemicals. Im gonna look into buying products by a brand called "TOM'S". I heard toms was a good brand as far as avoiding negative chemicals. Im not paying $50-$80 for toothpaste and soap. And i shouldnt have to either.

It's payday again!

Im ready to order R andro. By the time it arrives it will be week 8. In the meantime, i am an extremely healthy, energetic, really fit guy who gets out of bed every single morning and grabs life by the balls each and every day. Everything just gets better. (Except for the sexual which has stayed the exact same.) I dont think i ever had any gut issues, but even my digestive system is the best its ever been. I can pound down alot of calories/protein/carbs, everything else, and almost have zero gas, zero bloating etc. All within the paleo realm too. I usually goto the gym or do HIIT on an empty stomach, with a herb and black coffee. I usally dont eat my first meal until about 4 hours after i get out of bed. I space my meals out better these days too. I had a high caloric intake for the last decade, before the protocol, and made muscular gains, but my digestive function was complete shit compared to how great it is now. Sleep is good too most of the time. I also literally look like a middleweight/light-heavyweight bodybuilder.

I wanted to ask someone on the forum, where can i order this product? Cdsnuts has the link for it in a sticky, but whenever i clicked on it, it shows nothing. I want to get it from a legit source. I dont mind paying an extra $20 for it, because i want it to be the right stuff and legit.

Now that the time has come, im actually slightly nervous. Not a bad thing, but you know. I dont mind losing my hair, as long as i make sexual progress with it. I hope i can at least get an increased baseline. That will give me some encouragement.

Its all been said before, so im not going to bitch and whine. I just really hope to get some sexual ground from this, because the herbs always didnt do too much for me, like they do for many others. And this training game, and sprints, ive always done this stuff, so it feels like the same old road at times. Only now i do it protocol style.

I could care less about more muscle gain at this point. i already have more than enough muscle. The sexual is the main thing. But i also might post some pics of how my physique is coming along.

Good luck man, you seem very excited, hope you will get good results! I just started the herbs some days ago but I am also super interested in R andro (though I got months before I start it) and was looking for the link where to buy it. It didn't work for me either.

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It's payday again!

Im ready to order R andro. By the time it arrives it will be week 8. In the meantime, i am an extremely healthy, energetic, really fit guy who gets out of bed every single morning and grabs life by the balls each and every day. Everything just gets better. (Except for the sexual which has stayed the exact same.) I dont think i ever had any gut issues, but even my digestive system is the best its ever been. I can pound down alot of calories/protein/carbs, everything else, and almost have zero gas, zero bloating etc. All within the paleo realm too. I usually goto the gym or do HIIT on an empty stomach, with a herb and black coffee. I usally dont eat my first meal until about 4 hours after i get out of bed. I space my meals out better these days too. I had a high caloric intake for the last decade, before the protocol, and made muscular gains, but my digestive function was complete shit compared to how great it is now. Sleep is good too most of the time. I also literally look like a middleweight/light-heavyweight bodybuilder.

I wanted to ask someone on the forum, where can i order this product? Cdsnuts has the link for it in a sticky, but whenever i clicked on it, it shows nothing. I want to get it from a legit source. I dont mind paying an extra $20 for it, because i want it to be the right stuff and legit.

Now that the time has come, im actually slightly nervous. Not a bad thing, but you know. I dont mind losing my hair, as long as i make sexual progress with it. I hope i can at least get an increased baseline. That will give me some encouragement.

Its all been said before, so im not going to bitch and whine. I just really hope to get some sexual ground from this, because the herbs always didnt do too much for me, like they do for many others. And this training game, and sprints, ive always done this stuff, so it feels like the same old road at times. Only now i do it protocol style.

I could care less about more muscle gain at this point. i already have more than enough muscle. The sexual is the main thing. But i also might post some pics of how my physique is coming along.

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Sexual progress for me came slow and didn't completely heal (libido) until the very end. Relax.....don't rush it or expect it to improve just because you're on cycle for the first time.

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Sexual progress for me came slow and didn't completely heal (libido) until the very end. Relax.....don't rush it or expect it to improve just because you're on cycle for the first time.

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If im not going to gain some sexual ground from it, then i see no point in doing it. Well im not expecting to be 100% healed after one cycle, but im just saying, it would be nice to finally gain some ground in the sexual department. It feels like its been too damn long. Its been either 2 months on the protocol, or 5 months on the protocol. Plus the last 10+ years in general... where i had PFS but still didnt know what PFS was, and that it was my problem.

Seems like others have gotten great results from the r andro. And you, Maxout, seemed to progress quickly, contrary to what you said, (i think i remember reading about how positive your first experience with the R andro was). maybe im wrong. I wouldnt even risk using the R andro, if it wasnt going to give me some ground. Because the r andro will make me shed hair and go bald faster. I dont care about going bald, but i would at least have to gain some sexual ground. i wouldnt want to accelerate my MPB and not get anything out of it sexually, which seems like its been for me the whole time.

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If im not going to gain some sexual ground from it, then i see no point in doing it. Well im not expecting to be 100% healed after one cycle, but im just saying, it would be nice to finally gain some ground in the sexual department. It feels like its been too damn long. Its been either 2 months on the protocol, or 5 months on the protocol. Plus the last 10+ years in general... where i had PFS but still didnt know what PFS was, and that it was my problem.

Good luck though man, I'm hoping you make some serious strides in this run!

Seems like others have gotten great results from the r andro. And you, Maxout, seemed to progress quickly, contrary to what you said, (i think i remember reading about how positive your first experience with the R andro was). maybe im wrong. I wouldnt even risk using the R andro, if it wasnt going to give me some ground. Because the r andro will make me shed hair and go bald faster. I dont care about going bald, but i would at least have to gain some sexual ground. i wouldnt want to accelerate my MPB and not get anything out of it sexually, which seems like its been for me the whole time.

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I didn't say R Andro didn't help me immensely on my first run. It helped me really big time in the physical and mental department. The sexual department......eh, maybe a little bit. Not a ton though. I just didn't want you to set too high of expectations going into it because as we all know, with PFS it's crushing when things don't go exactly as we've been looking forward to.

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I didn't say R Andro didn't help me immensely on my first run. It helped me really big time in the physical and mental department. The sexual department......eh, maybe a little bit. Not a ton though. I just didn't want you to set too high of expectations going into it because as we all know, with PFS it's crushing when things don't go exactly as we've been looking forward to.

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Now that it's been long enough to make an objective evaluation of my experience, I concur. The main benefits of the first cycle were mental and physical, maybe the slightest bit of sustained sexual improvement.

Well fuck it all then, i still do what i do, and have been busting my ass since the moment i came here. Im gonna order it tomorrow or the day after. I just gotta do some searching, because i want to get it from a legit source. I couldnt find it on the link cdnuts posted. Im planning for 400mg a day for 6 weeks. Well see what happens!

Well ill be damned!!

Perhaps these herbs are finally starting to kick in for me a little bit. maybe it just takes longer for me because i took the poison known as propecia for a lot longer. A few times recently, ive been waking up with wood (sometimes, sometimes not), and at work, theres this girl that i like (not in an obsessive way), and just by her standing next to me, or maybe a little flirtation, ill get very close to a full erection, with zero manual stimulation. ive had a few other effects recently, when ill think about a sexual situation, and ill get some slight wood from it. all with zero manual stimulation. Also on day 15 of a nap streak i think. i stopped counting. Looking for 30 days though. I could end up having noodle dick tomorrow, so who knows. but these cant be bad signs.

Ordering R andro right now!

This is definitely a good sign! Keep going!!

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Well ill be damned!!

Perhaps these herbs are finally starting to kick in for me a little bit. maybe it just takes longer for me because i took the poison known as propecia for a lot longer. A few times recently, ive been waking up with wood (sometimes, sometimes not), and at work, theres this girl that i like (not in an obsessive way), and just by her standing next to me, or maybe a little flirtation, ill get very close to a full erection, with zero manual stimulation. ive had a few other effects recently, when ill think about a sexual situation, and ill get some slight wood from it. all with zero manual stimulation. Also on day 15 of a nap streak i think. i stopped counting. Looking for 30 days though. I could end up having noodle dick tomorrow, so who knows. but these cant be bad signs.

Ordering R andro right now!

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Great news man. Keep us posted about how the R-Andro Cycle goes.

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Great news man. Keep us posted about how the R-Andro Cycle goes.

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I will! Maybe ill post some pics too. I might even start a log. Not sure yet, so well see.


Also my digestive system is the best its ever been. I can pound down the same amount of calories/protein as i always did, and barely even feel it in my stomach. It almost feels like its too good to be true. Man, i suffered for a decade. It was a long 10 years... i cant believe i ever got used to that shitty feeling. Barely even f*rt or get gas from it anymore sometimes. Lmao. Alot lately too. And thats alot of calories. But boy do i sure build muscle. I feel like all this stuff i do, goes straight to my physique, and then the remaining residual effects of it, like 3% of it, go towards sexual increases. Seems legit though. Better than nothing! So far so good! Ill take whatever i can get! I could feel worse tomorrow, as which is the case with PFS, but you never know! I'm never stopping this! =)

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I will! Maybe ill post some pics too. I might even start a log. Not sure yet, so well see.


Also my digestive system is the best its ever been. I can pound down the same amount of calories/protein as i always did, and barely even feel it in my stomach. It almost feels like its too good to be true. Man, i suffered for a decade. It was a long 10 years... i cant believe i ever got used to that shitty feeling. Barely even f*rt or get gas from it anymore sometimes. Lmao. Alot lately too. And thats alot of calories. But boy do i sure build muscle. I feel like all this stuff i do, goes straight to my physique, and then the remaining residual effects of it, like 3% of it, go towards sexual increases. Seems legit though. Better than nothing! So far so good! Ill take whatever i can get! I could feel worse tomorrow, as which is the case with PFS, but you never know! I'm never stopping this! =)

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You should definitely post pics.

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You should definitely post pics.

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Sounds good!

Hey man, you mentioned quite a few times how good your digestion is.
Could you clarify it for me what you eat, if you are intermittent fasting how long your eating window is, if you follow carb backloading. And if you are paleo, do you include rice and potatos in your diet?
Could you write your approximate macros and an example of a training day meal plan and a rest day plan as well? :D
Thanks man

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Hey man, you mentioned quite a few times how good your digestion is.
Could you clarify it for me what you eat, if you are intermittent fasting how long your eating window is, if you follow carb backloading. And if you are paleo, do you include rice and potatos in your diet?
Could you write your approximate macros and an example of a training day meal plan and a rest day plan as well? :D
Thanks man

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This sounds like quite alot to ask of someone.....don't you think?

Follow the protocol. Problem solved.

Ironically, the topic of digestion comes up.

Well i was just about to start my prohormone cycle. should arrive in the mail today or tomorrow, or soon. However, ive been hit hard financially, and i also cut the palm of my hand on glass at my work. My right hand. Its taped up. Gonna try to hit the gym today and see how it goes. Im worried. I need that hand to grip the weights. It doesnt hurt, but i need to see how it goes when i lift. So my mood has been down, from all of this. I do not need any setbacks. I have waited a DECADE to try a cycle of androsterone (in the form of super r andro). Im tired of being fucked with by petty trials and tribulations, that seem to prevent me from reaching the promised land. Its been over a decade. Enough is enough for real.

As far as digestion goes, i had a little problem last night. You see, these last 2 weeks or so, have been my best two weeks ever IN MY LIFE as far as digestion. it seemed to keep getting better. (ironically this occured after doing a 15 day juice feast). It was crazy, because my diet has always had high calories and protein. But lately i could consume it all, and literally not even seem to activate my digestive system like i used to, and barely even f*rt during the day these days! Its been amazing!!!!

Another thing i do that is really good for digestive, is dont eat right when you wake up. Go to the bathroom when you wake up, do your rituals or whatever, and start your day on an empty stomach. Grab a coffee, and take your daily herb. Then goto the gym or do HIIT sprints. I usually dont eat my first meal until about 4 hours or so after being awake. And then for the rest of the day, i will SPACE MY MEALS OUT, instead of trying to shove it all down at once. And i would still get all the calories/protein in, without ANY digestive issues. And thats alot of calories and protein. And also take spinurella and chlorella daily, and breathwork daily. Also carb backload at night. I use gluten free peanut butter sandwiches, and brown rice. I personally carb backload, literally almost every single day, due to my training regimen. Im very fast moving and active.

Last night, i ate the STALK of broccoli, and it slightly/minimally over acted my digestive system. Not alot, but it got me worried. I did my rituals this morning, and it carried into today even still too. I got a little worried. I hope i didnt regress. Im just not gonna eat broccoli stalk ever again. but that amazing digestive ive had for the last 2 weeks, i want it to continue.

but basically, yeah, like i said.

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Ironically, the topic of digestion comes up.

Well i was just about to start my prohormone cycle. should arrive in the mail today or tomorrow, or soon. However, ive been hit hard financially, and i also cut the palm of my hand on glass at my work. My right hand. Its taped up. Gonna try to hit the gym today and see how it goes. Im worried. I need that hand to grip the weights. It doesnt hurt, but i need to see how it goes when i lift. So my mood has been down, from all of this. I do not need any setbacks. I have waited a DECADE to try a cycle of androsterone (in the form of super r andro). Im tired of being fucked with by petty trials and tribulations, that seem to prevent me from reaching the promised land. Its been over a decade. Enough is enough for real.

As far as digestion goes, i had a little problem last night. You see, these last 2 weeks or so, have been my best two weeks ever IN MY LIFE as far as digestion. it seemed to keep getting better. (ironically this occured after doing a 15 day juice feast). It was crazy, because my diet has always had high calories and protein. But lately i could consume it all, and literally not even seem to activate my digestive system like i used to, and barely even f*rt during the day these days! Its been amazing!!!!

Another thing i do that is really good for digestive, is dont eat right when you wake up. Go to the bathroom when you wake up, do your rituals or whatever, and start your day on an empty stomach. Grab a coffee, and take your daily herb. Then goto the gym or do HIIT sprints. I usually dont eat my first meal until about 4 hours or so after being awake. And then for the rest of the day, i will SPACE MY MEALS OUT, instead of trying to shove it all down at once. And i would still get all the calories/protein in, without ANY digestive issues. And thats alot of calories and protein. And also take spinurella and chlorella daily, and breathwork daily. Also carb backload at night. I use gluten free peanut butter sandwiches, and brown rice. I personally carb backload, literally almost every single day, due to my training regimen. Im very fast moving and active.

Last night, i ate the STALK of broccoli, and it slightly/minimally over acted my digestive system. Not alot, but it got me worried. I did my rituals this morning, and it carried into today even still too. I got a little worried. I hope i didnt regress. Im just not gonna eat broccoli stalk ever again. but that amazing digestive ive had for the last 2 weeks, i want it to continue.

but basically, yeah, like i said.

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Dude...you're doing just fine. I know I've said this before, but you can't let every little negative thing that happens to you along the way derail your mindset. NOTHING you do (aside from taking another 5ar inhibitor) is going to set you back from the progress you've already made.

Right on! Digestive is pretty much back to getting better again anyways. You were right. I need to stop panicking for real. Now im finally starting to stop the panicking and have a clear head, after 8 weeks. lol. Im finally leveling out. I did chest in the gym today, and my hand was fine. Thus far, i can do chest and legs, without my hand hurting from having to grip the bar.

Also ive read the other thread. We definitely dont want this place to sound like PH. I know im not as bad as some others, but even i myself too can get whiny at times, and i dont want it to be like that, and i dont want to be one of the causes. Even i myself can see how ridiculous that shit is. Ive voiced my opinion on that in the other thread as well.

I even almost had sex with a woman today!! Holy shit! Its been a year. was hugging on her, and fooling around, and i was already halfway hard from just hugging her. Her and i have been talking. To bad we werent in a professional setting, where people are nearby, and it probably wouldve happened. hahaaha. im definitely having some positive dopamine effects from it right now too.

My r andro came in the mail today. i got it from "strong supplement shop". i pray to god that its a legit bottle, and i got the real deal stuff and actual super r andro. i will start on friday!

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Right on! Digestive is pretty much back to getting better again anyways. You were right. I need to stop panicking for real. Now im finally starting to stop the panicking and have a clear head, after 8 weeks. lol. Im finally leveling out. I did chest in the gym today, and my hand was fine. Thus far, i can do chest and legs, without my hand hurting from having to grip the bar.

Also ive read the other thread. We definitely dont want this place to sound like PH. I know im not as bad as some others, but even i myself too can get whiny at times, and i dont want it to be like that, and i dont want to be one of the causes. Even i myself can see how ridiculous that shit is. Ive voiced my opinion on that in the other thread as well.

I even almost had sex with a woman today!! Holy shit! Its been a year. was hugging on her, and fooling around, and i was already halfway hard from just hugging her. Her and i have been talking. To bad we werent in a professional setting, where people are nearby, and it probably wouldve happened. hahaaha. im definitely having some positive dopamine effects from it right now too.

My r andro came in the mail today. i got it from "strong supplement shop". i pray to god that its a legit bottle, and i got the real deal stuff and actual super r andro. i will start on friday!

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Why Friday? Start that s*** tomorrow!

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Why Friday? Start that s*** tomorrow!

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Gotta make sure i have enough carbs/fruits at hand to eat just incase i get that fast-paced euphoric/anxiety effect, which ive had before even naturally. I got royally screwed financially this week. I swear i mustve gotten dbl-charged on my debit card somewhere on one of my purchases this week. Gluten free bread has been ridiculous lately. They discontinued this brand i liked called "rudis", and ive been paying $9.99 for the bigger loafs of a brand called "udis". also, my protein powder might run out early this week. gotta keep the calories high!

.......ehhh fuck it, why not? hahahahah.

Best of luck dude. Let us know how it goes.

I will. One last question guys . Am I supposed to take r andro with a meal?
I would assume you don't take this on an empty stomach. So I would wake up, and 4 hrs later when I eat my first meal, I would take r andro?

Hey K, where did you order your R-Ando? I'm looking to grab some myself.

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I will. One last question guys . Am I supposed to take r andro with a meal?
I would assume you don't take this on an empty stomach. So I would wake up, and 4 hrs later when I eat my first meal, I would take r andro?

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I always took mine first thing when I woke up like I would take the herbs. Some people get acid reflux from taking it without food but luckily I wasn't one of them

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Hey K, where did you order your R-Ando? I'm looking to grab some myself.

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I ordered my R andro by Discount Supplements, Pre-Workouts Fat Burners Online - Free Shipping Over $50
Does any of you know if it is a legit/sure website where to order it?
There is so much crap in internet.......

Why don't you guys buy from SoCal Nutrition or Iron Mag directly and use the coupon codes given. I always try my best to give Rob (SoCal) first billing on my purchases because he backs this site.....which has helped me and helps all of you.