I'd absolutely buy it from SoCal Nutrition, but the link CD sticky posted at the top of the forum appears broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxout777
I'd absolutely buy it from SoCal Nutrition, but the link CD sticky posted at the top of the forum appears broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxout777
It is, and I'm not sure why. I've been trying to get in touch with Rob for way too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Mal
Guys, like Maxout said, you want to buy all of your stuff through SoCal or other forum sponsors because that's why keeps this forum alive. ALWAYS try and purchase from these places FIRST.
With that in mind, is it still available at SoCal? Or is there another place to pick it up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
yeah it hasnt been working for a while and I'm not sure if I can get it in Canada.
I tried ordering it from the sticky, but i couldnt find a link or ANYTHING when i clicked on it! like you said. So i was recommended to strong supplement shop i think it was called. I would have preferred getting it from SoCAL, or IML first. I definitely support those guys, for all theyve done for us. Just hope i got the real deal stuff. it was not my intention to get it from anywhere else. I just didnt know what to do once i discovered that the sticky was broken. i paid about $120 for 2 bottles. i will order the 3rd bottle on monday. I plan on starting tomorrow. ill do so on an empty stomach first. Im looking to make a new thread, and upload pics.
I seem to have been having less money, and less TIME recently! So many inconveniences.
i hope for real i didnt get a fake bottle.... omg.... i havent opened it yet, but yeah. reading these last posts just got me amped up. i know it wasnt you guys's intentions. my plan IS to start tomorrow. And on an empty stomach.
i need sleep right now... adrenals are down today... off to bed and off of the internet/phone, etc for now.
Well, im pretty much injured. Got that cut in the palm of my right hand. But its taped up and doesnt effect my lifting thank god.
However, i woke up with stiff neck about 5 days ago, and yesterday it was pretty much 90% healed, until the last rep of the last set of my barbell bicep curls, where i seemed to tweak it again.
Adrenal fatigue today and yesterday, because these are my two work days of the week where i have to get up at fucking 5 am to be in for 7am. its these two days where i dont get as much sleep, and it literally fucks up my entire day. Id much rather be up at 7am and go in at 9am. So the adrenal fatigue has carried over into today too. Now my digestive is not as good right now due to the adrenal fatigue.
Pretty mad right now. Want to punch a wall. Ironically this all happens right as im about to start my prohormone cycle. How trivial. Some force is just fucking with me. Its just a jynx. I see right through it too.
Im gonna have to hold off on starting for at least one more day. But in reality id rather just start it, unless someone tells me its wise not to. But i had to put it out there.
You're doing your own head in again bro... everyone gets injuries and is tired from work etc. And recovery happens in spite of these normal inconveniences... just let it wash over you and go with the flow.
It's not gonna matter if you start the cycle today or tomorrow. But don't get stressed on analysing exactly how you feel every step or you're fucked before you start.
Train as you are, eat as you are. Maybe even take some time off here if it's making you feel stressed and analytic (I took a long time away from forums at a point I needed to and it really helped me mentally, you just get back into the old groove of living without thinking bout these places)... just do what you do and let what's gonna happen, happen.
Oh and the stuff will definitely be legit. 100% without question. Good luck.
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I was just going to suggest this. I feel like when you check the forum and post so often about daily or weekly updates it tends to consistently remind yourself of what's wrong. Get lost in life again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swill
LOL!! I feel fine today. Im quite relaxed right now. I realized how STUPID i sounded when i wrote those two posts last night/this morning. I get those anxious moments and theres no stopping me at times.
Thanks maxout, you basically told me to get a life! ;) JK hahaha. In all seriousness, i see what youre saying though. Even sometimes lately ive been deciding not to be so obsessed with the forum. All though i got super excited when i found this forum, (after a decade of hell), i became a little bit too obsessive.
I start tomorrow! Im just doing a deep reset on my sleep at the end of the day.
Right on, Swill!
I've been taking R andro for about 4 days now. I got it from a random supplier. Either i got some fake sugar pills, or im just not responding to it. Today i will be ordering it from the ORIGINAL supplier, or socal nutrition. I havent gotten any positive side effects from it, or any negative side effects from it. Zero, nothing. Im still taking it, upped it from 400mg a day to 600mg a day. Im off the herbs at the moment as we speak. So off the herbs, and taking either these fake pills, or something that i dont respond to. I dont care about the money wasted, i just care about not wasting anymore time, and healing.
I havent responded to anything this whole time! Ive been doing this for 5-6 months now. I wouldnt expect to be healed by now, but i would at least hope for a 20% increase in sexual baseline or something. Many others have. I dont want to talk like this, and scare others away from healing themselves, but its hard to not get frustrated. Ill never quit, and this is my main protocol, but ill be doing more and more research to find things that may be beneficial for me. At this moment, i dont know what to do. I was so euphoric over this in the beginning.
I have women giving me their phone numbers, left and right, WITHOUT ME EVEN ASKING FOR THEM, and it doesnt mean shit to me. Ive been down this road before a million times. PFS has always wasted these beautiful women for me, for them to never talk to me again. I even have the most beautiful woman ive ever seen right now, giving me her number, but i dont, and didnt want it this early on. Shes been chasing me for awhile too. Ive been dodging her too. But she finally caught me one day. I dont want to waste her. I was hoping to save her for later this whole time. Without beating PFS, i have nothing. Ive seen the hamster go around the wheel many times for a decade. I actually get stressed now, when these women come at me like this. I dont want to waste another beautiful one, or go through any more embarassment. I really just want to focus on the protocol, and myself.
I recently discovered that its an adrenal thing with me. My adrenals are what got hit the most by PFS. Work schedule aint helping, with me having to be up at 5am on some days. Most normal people seem to not have to go into work until 9am at least. Ive even had a few days where im laid down in bed at about 830pm, but i seem to not be able to pass out sooner than 11pm, no matter what i do. My sleep schedule is still the best its ever been however. But i need to get it even better. I think i figured something out yesterday though. This is coming from a guy who had non-24 sleep disorder. It depends where my adrenals are at, because there have been times where i woke up with solid morning wood for 9 days in a row or so, one time, even with PFS a few years ago. i was nocturnal at that time when that happened. As ive progressed with the protocol, and learned all these new things, and have come closer to self-mastery, i can literally FEEL my adrenals now!
If you did get it from that place I mentioned to you bro, then I can 100% vouch for them they're an official supplier of IML products, so it would absolutely not be a sugar pill, I did my research.
Keep your head up, I non responded plenty before I found what worked for me bro.
Would be good if one of the sponsors could drop us a link on here so we can pick up with them next time though... 100% agree with that.
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Mate four days is nothing. I didn't get any notable response until about 14 days in. Keep at it, let it build up in your system. I'll be surprised if you don't notice anything at all by the end of your cycle. Don't expect miracles as my sex drive still seemed to be in waves whilst on but just keep at it as it will move the needle some.Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
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Give it time. It's been 4 days. It takes time for these things to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
Take it as a positive that it doesn't give you extreme anxiety.
Sit back, keep taking it and judge in 6 weeks time!
I quote the same of what Snell said, Take it as a positive that it doesn't give you extreme anxiety and give more time since you feel good on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snell1234
I know since ive been under this condition for so long, that its gonna take me a little bit longer to recover, as ive been told. Ive been taking R andro for about 18 days. I havent felt shit. Zero negative, zero positive. Usually if something works for me, ill feel it right away. Should i drop the cycle, and go back to the herbs, or should i continue with the cycle?
In my opinion you should continue. You're not even half way through and your sexual baseline may have been so low for so long that it'll just take longer to move the needle in an amount that is noticable to you. Just because you don't feel anything subjectivly doesn't mean that the chemical reaction isn't doing anything that on a biological level. Just my two cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
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With my experience I've felt like I've leveled up baseline wise after each round of R Andro. The first time I didn't feel much of anything. Finish the cycle and see how you feel after. If you're like me you'll notice you've leveled up a few days after the cycle.
Right on. I appreciate the feedback. I'll keep going then. I have 2 in a half bottles left. Been dosing at 600mg a day lately, where a few days ill only get up to 400mg for whatever reason. Its crazy though, despite not feeling anything, muscle-wise, or sexual-wise, i still havent gotten the dreaded "hairloss/hair shedding" that many have reported while cycling this stuff either.
Ive plateaued in the gym too. At my same old levels. incline benching 225x3, flat benching 225x 9.5, flat bench 280x1, constantly rising limit-less squat strength like before, and all of my other lifts, and my look is the same.
Good news is that ive found some new spots to do my sprints at. Im still getting everything in.
Ordered some glycine powder and thinking about getting ziziphus. sleep/adrenals is important to me. trying to be in bed super early each night. also working on getting some good legit probiotics next.
And also, why the fuck are my veins disappearing?... i always had some awesome veins. about 6 weeks after my 2nd juice feast, i started noticing this. theyre not as good as they were before. as far as im concerned, i dont want to lose them, and i would only assume by doing what im doing, they should get better.
Could it be too much kale, or spinach, or mag powder, or too much vitamin d3?
Im not sure why my veins disappeared recently either.
I've theorized a few possibilities.
One being that muscle atrophy has left me with excess skin which is now hiding my veins.
The other being some lack in nitrous oxide.
Third is that I'm lacking something that is crucial to vitality. Meaning that I associate veins showing with strong healthy blood flow/energy.
But I'll disregard the third theory because it seems you've been getting stronger and I'd imagine that to be impossible if you lacked healthy blood flow and energy.
so could be theory 1 or 2.
I'm also thinking mitochondria but idk.
That's strange that you're not responding. I responded within hours. Still reaping benefits after 2nd week. I hope you decide to see it through to the end.
Great, now a huge hurricane is hitting the state of Florida. And I'm getting sick too. While fighting this huge battle. See how I get fucked with??? Lolllll . I'm not disregarding your replies. But news of this big hurricane just hit. I might have to evacuate, and pack my stuff with me. Medicines/herbs/prohormones, that I use to fight this battle. I might be out of the gym and hiit for a bit too.
Don't let it get on top of you bro... breathe...
Stay safe.
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Stay safe and keep those herbs and prohormones safe too!Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
Thanks fellas, will do! Appreciate your concerns!
On another note, this is just getting to be too much. I think about this "battle" way too much, and im letting it control my life. Im at the point where i know how to do this protocol instinctively now. Im sick of thinking about PFS 24/7. Theres so much more to me as a person than "my battle with PFS". I just want to feel free for once. I know what to do and how to do it and will continue... whether im a slow responder, or a fast responder, its irrelevant. The fact that im busting my ass and not responding to anything, is indeed bullshit, but once again its irrelevant. I just want to enjoy myself. I have the most beautiful woman ive ever seen (IMO) coming at me, and shes really into me. I naturally am really into her too... i just want to stop thinking about pfs for a little bit...
strangely getting somewhat sick today kept my mind off of shit a little bit.
We are in the same boat, difficult to don't think about it..go to see some friends, try to do something with other people.
I don't understand you.Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
You've made posts about how great you're feeling and how this is working so good, etc. And then in the same breath, you make a post and say everything is shit and nothing is working? Which is it? Because it can't be both.
You know it doesn't make any sense. You're either very high, or very low.
And, you need to do something to quiet your mind so that you're not thinking about PFS 24/7. That's a fast track to driving yourself fucking crazy. One of the most important things you can do is to get control of your mind. Breathing, meditation....I'm going to bet you're not doing them given the erratic nature of your posts.
You're like a yoyo man. You need to get your head on straight.
I'm also going to suggest you do some research on why complaining should be avoided at all costs......
Dude are you for real? I do breathwork religiously! Im good at it too. Meditating, no.. i acutally dont know how to.. it seems complicated for me to figure out. but it is NOW the most important thing im working on. And when i feel good, i DO feel good... but my dick is still at the same shitty baseline. so yeah im gonna be fed up about that, and yeah i think its bullshit how my dick responds to nothing. Im busting my ass here, making sure i do everything down to the T, getting literally every food in, trying to not eat the bad, trying to not over work my digestive, adrenals, trying to have good sleep discipline HIIT sprints 2x, workouts in the gym 5-6 days a week... while running out of money, and living on a budget. i bet i probably make the least amount of money on the entire forum. I mean for real.. who wouldnt be fed up!! now were about to get hit with a fucking hurricane! but im cool now... ive chilled out in the last few hours. but seriously though. im over this PFS crap... still fighting.. but i dont want to talk or think about it for awhile. like i said, i now know what to do instinctively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdsnuts
youre right though... i pretty much did just make myself go crazy. from here on out, it is a new me. im still listening to you, or perhaps im finally listening to you and others for the first time. i burnt myself out to the point where i cant talk or think about it anymore
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Originally Posted by K8668B
...just my stupid though...wouldn't it be the case to have some blood labs, just to have an idea of your situation?!!...I know numbers mean nothing with PFS but maybe there is something more and they can give you an idea...Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
Just my two cents man...
You are SO HIGH, and then you are SO LOW. But you already know that and its something you need to address.
The one thing that is majorly hindering your progress is right in front of you, you're acknowledging it whilst with the next breath confused as to why you're having difficulty. You need to step away from this thing being your absolute life and the total definition of you. Read English's posts about the mental aspect. This is the one thing that is totally holding you back and presenting your issues... you must be slamming your cortisol through the roof whenever anything doesn't go totally to plan...
You need to accept you can't control the uncontrolables, you need to find yourself a life away from this thing and focus on mental wellness more than physical wellness. The second it clicks and you can get to the point where it doesn't occupy every single thought, the second you'll start moving forward. Do what makes you happy and focus on that, before long you'll find regardless of your side effect situation you'll be able to go days sometimes without thinking about it... and at that point, the cortisol stops, the healing and moving forward begins.
Examples... skip out the gym to go to the beach and take in a beautiful day, skip this forum for a couple of weeks and take that girl out you're on about. I talked on another thread about how to deal with girls when you have PFS, which I think you read (if you didn't then let me know and i'll dig it out). I think some time away from immersing yourself in this forum and the minutae about what people discuss will serve you well.
And before you think our situations are different. We are more alike than you think. I've been going through this since the beginning of 2013. I did myself more damage all through 2013 with trying all kinds of pharma crap that I imagine set me back even more, I literally travelled to the other side of the world to see a quack doctor who claimed he could help but used me as a guinea pig.... I was tested to the limit with what I went through. Then at the beginning of 2014 I came across CD's story and only then did the healing start. But it took me a while beyond there to get my head right mentally, it was a process. The second it no longer defined me, I moved forward immeasurably.
Im one that sticks to the protocol to the letter and CD has been a great friend to me through all i've been through, he's someone I respect as a person more than many lifelong friends. But my progress has been start stop, and slow. I've seen people start on this road and be healed in under a year, all along while i've been chugging along slowly... I am getting better, I can't not, its just it takes different people different lengths of time. I don't let it bother me, I just keep on keeping on knowing ill get there. You know why I can feel like that and not the 'why me? I'm working so hard' mentality?! Because life right now and for a long time has been good. Really fucking good. Once you're out of the initial period where you are in a state of flux, anyone can feel the same. Life is what you make it, and you are only as limited as you let yourself feel.
Do what makes you happy, even if it means you haven't done your X number of work outs a week. One night if something cool is happening, stay up late and enjoy it without worrying about consequence. It'll do you more harm than good as long as you are moderate with it. Don't let this define you. Get out and get with that girl, and if things dont work out with her, get with the next one. Then the next. Then the next.
Don't let life pass it by bro, you've got this. Its hard to take the step, but also the easiest and most important thing you will do on the path to healing.
Hey man you seem to be avoiding something that I consider to be one of the most important pillars of the protocol (and possibly one of the best life tools in general); meditation. It honestly is one of the best things to stop your mind racing and prevents you from going through the crazy ups and downs that we experience, despite how your body feels. The whole point of it is divorce yourself from that voice in your head and be present in the moment. You say you're consumed with thoughts of PFS, that it's all you think about. Why? If you stop for a moment and just scan your body, what's hurting you right now? Nothing. Are you in any physical pain due to PFS? No. Yes hormones and health have an impact on thoughts but it also works the other way. Once you learn to stop your mind racing, and stop following it down the stressful paths that it tries to take you then your stress hormones will stop pumping into your body as much.
Since you are having trouble with it this is how I meditate, it's honestly not hard or complicated.
Sit down and get comfortable, either on a cushion with your legs crossed or on a chair with your palms resting on your knees.
For a few moments I just look around my room, I look at my wardrobe, wall, anything, it doesn't matter. Just let your eyes wonder where they want.
After about twenty seconds of that I close my eyes and I start to pay attention to my breath. In, out. In, out. Once I'm comfortable I kind of do a physical scan of my body with my mind. I focus on my head and neck, noting any discomfort that I wasn't previously aware of, then my shoulders, back, etc.. all the way down to my toes. After that I just pay attention to my breathe or I listen to the ambient sounds in my room; the sounds of cars outside, birds singing, hum of my computer. I don't listen for them I just let the sounds come to me. Then back to my breath. In, out. And just keep repeating this kind PAYING ATTENTION to anything that is actually happening in or around me. That's all meditation is, just paying attention.
Now what will happen is that your mind will wonder. It will, it constantly does. You'll lose yourself in a thought and forget to pay attention to your breath or anything else that you are paying attention to, it may happen every few seconds even- particularly at the start. This is normal and natural, do not get annoyed at this because it is meant to happen. All your job is to do is to draw your attention back to the moment- your breath. In, out. In, out. In, out. When you do that the stream of thought that you were just on will just melt away. And that's the point, it's not about "clearing your mind" because that pretty much impossible and will lead to frustration, what it's about is training your mind to let go of thoughts that cause you stress or suffering or anything else melt away and realise that they don't own you and that they're not actually you.
Do it when you first wake up for fifteen minutes a day and I guarantee you will see some benefit. I hope this helps demystify the whole thing for you, it's really not hard!
Thanks for sharing. I would like this post twice if I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by coppersocks
Just to add to this:
Everything he said is fine, and that's one way to do it.
I do it a little bit different. He is right that your mind will wander ALOT in the beginning as this is the state that it is used to being in CONSTANTLY. And he is right that the point of meditation is to bring yourself into the present moment. That is where life happens. Not in the future, not in the past...but NOW.
I don't focus on anything except my breath, in the very beginning. I let thoughts come and go. But because I'm a bit practiced at it, what happens to me after about five, sometimes fifteen minutes, is that ALL thought vanishes. This is the state that I am working for. This is the state all meditation is about. I become completely present in the moment. No thought....just now. This state is accompanied by a very pleasant and euphoric feeling of complete contentment in just simply BEING.
I try and stay in this space for as long as I can. The longer, the better. This state is where all of the benefits come from. The complete quieting of the racing, wandering mind. The complete peace and contentment. When there, I don't want it to end because it feels so good. When I'm in this state I also get this sensation in my minds eye...it's hard to explain, but it's a feeling of...um....it's a feeling of smoothness, if that makes sense. Flow, I guess you could call it. It is really blissful.
I can hear what is going on around me. The birds chirping, the wind blowing, but NO THOUGHT. I am completely centered. I am the center of the universe and everything is happening around me, but I am an anchor in the moment. Picture the eye of the hurricane. Chaos around you, but complete serenity in the middle. This is where I am, in the middle. Centered.
When the feeling starts to wane, sometimes after only a few minutes, sometimes after twenty, I slowly open my eyes and just sit with myself for a few minutes. This feeling you created in your mind stays with you for a good majority of the day. Things seem easier. The more you practice, the easier it will be to reach this state.
Twice a day is the sweet spot for me, but ANYTIME you can devote to it is beneficial. I shoot for twenty or twenty five minutes first thing in the morning and about the same amount of time at the end of the day.
Keep doing this, and great things will start to happen to your consciousness.
The breathing exercises get your mind in this state easier then if you didn't do the breathing first. A quick three rounds of breath work before meditation will take your practice to the next level.
This is a life practice and will yield huge benefits with continued practice, just like all parts of this protocol will. The mind work just ties all of the ends together very nicely.
And again, Coppersocks is spot on in regards to this being one of the most important parts of the healing protocol for you mind.
Wondering if you've given this some more practice KB?
I only did it once. I still need to practice it some more to dial it in. Unfortunately , for the last 7 days, I had The flu, and hurricane Irma hit Florida. So for the first time since the protocol, I couldn't train, as I had to evactuate a few miles more inland. My diet wasnt the greatest, but I still managed to avoid gluten and some other bad chemicals. I still took my prohormones and supplements though. Luckily, I was in a safe zone. I feel bad for Miami, The Keys and the nearby islands down there, as they got hit pretty bad. But we had some power outages. Couldn't really do anything. All is behind me though. And meditation is my top priority, along with one other thing that I'm about to do in a few days, which will fit hugely into the protocol, and is 8 years in the making for me. To me, the protocol is kind of a learning curve, the longer you do it, the more you figure it all out, and over time you implement more and more into it. Whether your healing period is 6 months, or 3 years.
Was supposed to head down to the Keys this January....now we're not sure.
Its looking bad down there for sure!
We called it. There is always next year. I'm just glad we held off on booking everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by K8668B
Dammit! Yesterday i went almost 13 hours without a vape/cigarrete. Its the one in the morning with coffee(usually vape, rarely a cigarette), and the one at night before bed after a huge carb-backload, that seems to get me. Those are the two hard ones. Im doing better today with it too.
Whatever it takes to fucking heal! It may take me 3 years. Idgas!
I was assuming that quitting vape/cigs would accelerate my PFS recovery faster. Nothing in 8 years could motivate to quit, until PFS. I failed yesterday, but i still broke a record. But all day yesterday i was reading the internet, and now theyre saying that smoking cigs/vape increases testosterone??? Wtf? I know it can temporarily increase 5aR, but damn, when im trying to quit, for PFS, now im reading that smoking isnt so bad? kinda messed with my head a little bit. Ive been doing it the whole time on this protocol.
Im ready to quit.. im almost there, (got a good rhythm going today) if someone for sure knows that it will help with curing pfs, then let me know. I also would like that extra energy to build more muscle, and do better at my HIIT sprints. Ironically when u try to quit, u read shit on the internet saying that its "good for you". give me a break, what a mindfuck! lol.
A little later down the road, i might even do more fasting. a 30-day juice feast. or a 14-day water fast. ive done juice feasts but never a water fast. i wish i could afford to goto one of those water fasting centers. more fasting to clean out the vape/cigarettes after quitting. whatever it takes.
You still on the super r andro?